and nearsight is a counter against all ranged classes, against theurgs even the least effective unless you have red nearsight (problem in mid). So this is also no argument.

holsten-knight wrote:and nearsight is a counter against all ranged classes, against theurgs even the least effective unless you have red nearsight (problem in mid). So this is also no argument.

yes, pretty smart indeed

Im not argueing about whos caster is the most powerful anyway because this is what people do in Braemar when they play DAoC the first time or simply are complete retards... or just bored, choose urself! Im just presenting you facts that should tell you that it is almost impossible to measure.

If ppl in Braemar already know that theurgist are out of line, then as a player with lots of high rr chars should know it as well...
your purple glasses are blinding you!
If Hib had a theurgist as the only realm, hib would be the OP realm.
If Mid had a theurgist as the only realm, mid would be the OP realm.
Easy as that.

pweet wrote:If ppl in Braemar already know that theurgist are out of line, then as a player with lots of high rr chars should know it as well...
your purple glasses are blinding you!

The thing is, u see a line where there is none. I'll leave this thread to the progamers now

I remember one person which sayed to me:

All what you need on Theurg is MOC and u have a freewin 90% of the fights.

Nothing more to say.

It ´s not like that the positioning from the most is TOTALLY retarded, they don´t know how to handle this class also. Having the opportunity to be the best Ruptbot in game, still 90% of Theugs on Uthgard fail.

If they are free they fullspam 1 target with pets instead of more, if they have MOC they don´t use it right. Less Theurgs have CONC3 which is immo in my opinion the best what u can have, because even u are not free you can do 2 QC all 30 sek.

Bloodwyne wrote:i wonder how u measure powerful classes. ...

Ever tried an alb group without a theurgist against good groups? Just because you dont know any good theurgist players doesnt mean its not the strongest interrupt bot out there (if played well). I keep seeing those pushing theurgists against tank groups. I have absolutly no clue why they would do that, probably to insta moc+purge on any cc they get.

Your quote of me and your text are not linked at all (only if you want to tell me that the job of all casters is to rupt only, but i doubt u wanted to say that), and where do see me saying Theurgist is not "the strongest INTERRUPT Bot out there" ?

Ormilig wrote:Ever tried an alb group without a theurgist against good groups?

Yes, but ofc Theurg is a key component in almost any Alb setup, didnt say anything else

Mythic had discussed the removal of Theurgists for the later-scrapped Origin server project, which should tell you a little bit about what the original developers thought of the class in terms of balancing ^^

Lasastard wrote:Mythic had discussed the removal of Theurgists for the later-scrapped Origin server project, which should tell you a little bit about what the original developers thought of the class in terms of balancing ^^

Yes Mythic is known for creating a good balance (after 10 years of development)

well, all we asked for is not to nerf the theurg beyond classic livelike, but to at least fix this already very powerful class to livelike.

I agree he should get a correctly working RR5 and that stun pets should have a chance to stun at 1350 range.

But the way the class was implemented here was just strong beyond livelike.

Take a runemaster/eld and your problem is nullified.
Just because people like Holsten are addicted to stick'n'hit and press alot of active RA's to win it doesn't mean the theurg is overpowered, because their healers can't simply press their spread heal button to survive anymore.
Same for the hibs who run the full tank groups as well.

Alb can't affort this luxury easy way of grouping. Ever since alb is disadvantaged with building effective setups, because the utility is far spread towards the different classses (just to list the unique things alb can't combine due to a lack of space in 8man groups):
sorc, cleric, cleric for the base cc and buffs (3)
pala (enduchant) (4)
caba (NS and disease) (5)
theurg (bt, haste and dmgadd for tanks) (6)
minstrel (speed 5, sos) (7)
friar (elemental resists, base buffs) (8)
And here you see the perfect 8man utility alb group without any source of serious dd.

Hib needs Bard, Druid, Druid, Warden, Eld / Mid needs Skald, Healer, Healer, Shaman, Rune for the exact same utility and can easily add the dmg as they prefer.

So more tears about the theurg pets which overpower the albion realm so hard please, go!
It 's not enough, that Wizard, Friar, Armsman and Minstrel are like handicaps for alb groups, because their impact is too low for the endgame RvR. Especially since the high RR mid/hib setgroups roll towards the lands to farm more RP.

lol

Who r u ?

Xacrag wrote:I remember one person which sayed to me:
All what you need on Theurg is MOC and u have a freewin 90% of the fights.
Nothing more to say.

It ´s not like that the positioning from the most is TOTALLY retarded, they don´t know how to handle this class also. Having the opportunity to be the best Ruptbot in game, still 90% of Theugs on Uthgard fail.

If they are free they fullspam 1 target with pets instead of more, if they have MOC they don´t use it right. Less Theurgs have CONC3 which is immo in my opinion the best what u can have, because even u are not free you can do 2 QC all 30 sek.

FYI: Theurgist need some more RAs ->
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=29770

CON3 > MoC3
but without PD3-4, sere2-3,rp1,purge1,dex2-3,lw1 etc you can stay in Camelot and speak with Whiskers ...

Anyway i agree to this (with 7l your able to get CONC3 w/o problems).

But that is not all what i talked about. You talk about Haste Debuff costs so much mana and your are never free, well if Theurgs are not free they are not able to blow mana anyway, just haste debuff everyone and you are fine.

I also talked about the right positioning from Theurg, and tbh i don´see more then 2 max 3 Theurgs who know how to.