What rule are you refering to, it clearly states that it is up to staff to decide the recovery, it doesn't say that they will or will not do that.

No Poplik, it does not clearly state that the GM's have discretion. Rule 5.2 does say "The decision whether to restore data or not lies in the sole discretion of the staff." This much is true, but it also completely f'ing ignores the rest of the 5.1 rule. Like I said, in other words if you look at 5.1 and 5.2 rules together what this says is, "We will not return items, characters, etc in game when you give away your account information or make it available to others, unless we find a very good reason to do so." In this case the good reason was what exactly? That it was a high RR toon? That the population liked Comet? The fact is that if this was about 95% of the rest of ther server that this happened to the GM's would have given one statement saying essentially "To bad, shouldnt have gave out your information..." and that would have been it.

Once again, great for Comet, just remember this next time some no name toon has the exact same ****** happen to them and they get zero help from the GM's. Stuff like this shouldnt come down to a f'ing popularity contest. I know of MANY different people that played Comet. Not just Harjis had the information for that toon. Maybe that is why he had so much support from the players. They were afraid to lose the community high RR skald that everyone had access to....


§5.1 Responsibility for accounts

Every player is responsible for his loginname and password. Rule violations that are committed will affect the account and the owner of the account, no matter who actually violated the rule. Account sharing is no excuse or reason for an exception.

§5.2 Restoration of lost characters, items and other data

There is no claim on the restoration of lost characters, items and other data. The decision whether to restore data or not lies in the sole discretion of the staff. Deliberately and accidently deleted characters will not be restored. There is no claim on an account recovery if the account was stolen because of insecure accountnames and/or passwords.

Yah, that is so crystal clear.....

poplik wrote:What rule are you refering to, it clearly states that it is up to staff to decide the recovery, it doesn't say that they will or will not do that.

Server rules 5.2
"There is no claim on an account recovery if the account was stolen because of insecure accountnames and/or passwords."

which i believe applies here if not mistaken.

Again Good Job GM's on this find.......I cannot stand those who use/trade/sell others and or account sharing this is not fair to those that are trying to play at a fair lvl.

But, the GMs were smart Zack. They left theirself a back door.

§2.1 Staff rights and rule changes
The Uthgard staff has the right to make changes and decisions in all community parts in it's sole discretion. This includes the game server itself, the Teamspeak server, the forum, the IRC-channel and all other community parts. The following rules are under ongoing development and can be changed at any time. Changes will usually be posted in the news. In addition a player can always ask the staff about rules changes.

platypus2308 wrote:

poplik wrote:What rule are you refering to, it clearly states that it is up to staff to decide the recovery, it doesn't say that they will or will not do that.

Server rules 5.2
"There is no claim on an account recovery if the account was stolen because of insecure accountnames and/or passwords."

which i believe applies here if not mistaken.

It was stolen? I may have misunderstood from the beginning then. If so, i appologize.

Aye, Mee, that was kind of my point. Here is the new server rules broken down:

"We do what we want, if you dont like it, than there is the door."

There you have it. Also, I believe platypus was pointing out to Poplik that since Comet admitted to giving out his account information which meant he had no claim because of "insecure accountnames and/or passwords." In other words, his account wasnt hacked, he gave the information in and then was stolen because of this.

Is somebody getting their 11L8 character back really rustling your jimmies that much? He made a mistake and will hopefully learn from it. Whatever happened to second chances?

Him getting his account back doesnt bother me at all, what bothers me is the back and forth on rules. The other night I'm told what I was doing "MIGHT" be bug abuse and I had to make a post and ask 50 different people to get a simple answer. In my time here I've known of many characters that had stuff stolen or deleted from giving out account information and they were told to bad. I've reported issues w/ players in the past and been ignored then when other players report its done right away.

Remember years ago Austerim when myself, Goodorbad, and Idiap reported a player RP farming for 3 nights in a row. For 3 nights we made /call GM's to report a player for doing this. We never got one single comment back. You come out with us and we tell you about it and literally 5 minutes after you tell Abydos the players are banned. That is just one tiny f'ing example of what I'm talking about.

Another one, I used desperate bowman to expose Ori on her ranger to a mid and get her killed when she added my fight. I was banned for 14 days for that. Abydos asked me to report others doing this and they to would also be banned. I had Gynsu send a screenshot of Hinata doing this to him in a fight, but Hinata didnt get a ban at all. I was told that the reason was because what I did resulted in Ori dying where since Gynsu didnt die it didnt deserve a ban. What f'ing difference does it make what the result was. He abused the same bug in the same way yet 2 completely different punishments, well by 2 different I guess I should say 1 punishment and one slap on the wrist.

Do you see the common theme here Ausertim? I have many more examples if you would like them. The GM's play favorites, period. If they like you they will work with you. If they dont then they dont care. If it wasnt for the fact that my post would be locked and deleted I would make one showing several forms of proof where this has happened. I'm sick of it.

RonELuvv wrote:Aye, Mee, that was kind of my point. Here is the new server rules broken down:

"We do what we want, if you dont like it, than there is the door."

What a terribly surprising policy for a freeshard that's nothing more than somebody's hobby project.

Maidrion wrote:

RonELuvv wrote:Aye, Mee, that was kind of my point. Here is the new server rules broken down:

"We do what we want, if you dont like it, than there is the door."

What a terribly surprising policy for a freeshard that's nothing more than somebody's hobby project.

Hey, I have argued this policy in favor of the GM's many times. I am all for them doing whatever they want. Just dont post up tons of rules and talk about being fair when you are clearly not. They can do whatever they like as I stated up above.

So Maidrion, you thinks its fair that they do for some but not others? When it comes to rules, if you pick and choose when you want to enforce them than what is the point of having them? Just get rid of the rules and make it simple like I did above. Then I wouldnt have a reason to complain would I?

RonELuvv wrote:I also realise some would say I'm being an a$$hole here and that Comet deserves to have his account back. I'm not saying he doesnt. What I'm stating is that by the GM's doing this they are setting an example. Either they do this for all people in the same situation or none. They can pick and choose if they want, after all it is their server, but then just come out and say that we do this for some, but not all. Or in other words, we play favorites to a degree.....

That was in my very first post Maidrion. Look at the colored text. You see, I admit right there that it is their server and they dont have to answer to me, but why make all these rules when you just toss them out when you feel like it? All I ask for is consistancy.

Rules are made for have some exceptions. If someone that play here since 6 year and is appreciated by everyone cant even have his char back after a douchebag have delete it, sorry it shouldnt have been normal O_o. Sorry but its clearly not like if it was a rr5 that was deleted. Also Comet asked nothing, its all the community that asked that he have his char back. thanks gms for have listen us !!!

You know what, I've said my peace. Its all very nice and easy to say this is great because a good player got his toon back and got a 2nd chance. That is good. You say the community asked for it back Ori, but to a certain extent the coummunity WAS Comet. I fought Comet on numerous occasions and very seldomly was it ever the same person playing it. I was told by Zai that at one point there was over 10 people that had access to that toon. So which Comet didnt ask for it back exactly?

Unlike the rest of you I know it will not be long before another player has a very similiar situation come up and will be told to bad by the GM's. I guess its easy to look at the good side of it when you are one of the people the GM's take care of.... I'm done.

Orihiime wrote:Rules are made for have some exceptions.

As long as it benefits.....me and you? Just you? Just me?

Orihiime wrote:If someone that play here since 6 year and is appreciated by everyone cant even have his char back after a douchebag have delete it, sorry it shouldnt have been normal O_o.

So i have been here 5 years. I dont have a rr11 character. Ten people don't have access to my account. Would i get the same consideration? Would you?

Should Rambo get his infiltrator back if he decided he wanted to come back, and 50 people spammed for his return? Yes, he made a severe error in judgement, but so did whoever shared their account information. End result for Rambo= his account was deleted. End result for Comet = his acccount was deleted.

Orihiime wrote:Sorry but its clearly not like if it was a rr5 that was deleted. Also Comet asked nothing, its all the community that asked that he have his char back. thanks gms for have listen us !!!

I don't think RR should have anything to do with this. I said it originally and i'll say it again. in the end, i'm glad Comet is no longer deleted. Whoever is playing him currently is fair/helpful player.

I also appreciate the job Blue along with the other GM's do. It is truly a thankless job that provides many people entertainment. I enjoy the server... i enjoy the community....the only thing i think would make it better.... Consistency

Mee wrote:

Orihiime wrote:Rules are made for have some exceptions.

As long as it benefits.....me and you? Just you? Just me?

Orihiime wrote:If someone that play here since 6 year and is appreciated by everyone cant even have his char back after a douchebag have delete it, sorry it shouldnt have been normal O_o.

So i have been here 5 years. I dont have a rr11 character. Ten people don't have access to my account. Would i get the same consideration? Would you?

Should Rambo get his infiltrator back if he decided he wanted to come back, and 50 people spammed for his return? Yes, he made a severe error in judgement, but so did whoever shared their account information. End result for Rambo= his account was deleted. End result for Comet = his acccount was deleted.

Orihiime wrote:Sorry but its clearly not like if it was a rr5 that was deleted. Also Comet asked nothing, its all the community that asked that he have his char back. thanks gms for have listen us !!!

I don't think RR should have anything to do with this. I said it originally and i'll say it again. in the end, i'm glad Comet is no longer deleted. Whoever is playing him currently is fair/helpful player.

I also appreciate the job Blue along with the other GM's do. It is truly a thankless job that provides many people entertainment. I enjoy the server... i enjoy the community....the only thing i think would make it better.... Consistency

Couldnt have said it better myself, espcially the end. I agree, I appreciate what Blue and the other GM's do and provide here and you couldnt pay me enough to deal with this stuff, but when I see a lack of consistancy in the enforcement of rules then I see potentially huge problems down the road. Whether I spend 5 years making a host of RR5 chars or I spend 5 years making a RR11 toon doesnt matter. If I break the rules they should be enforced the same regardless of who I know or how long I've been here.

I'm happy Comet is back, I'm happy the guy who is responsible for this was punished, but I just ask the same in the future for other players in similiar situations.