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Postby Seethoven » Aug 25, 2012 07:31

RonELuvv wrote:but fighting a trio with a healer of some sort does not make for a very competitive fight.



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i'd argue if I had at least purge 1 I could have done some damage, that damn nearsight..

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Postby Mcslicendice » Aug 29, 2012 02:50

This is a game based solely on group/zerg pvp (which is RvR)... it should be red is dead. These players who call for fair fights are a virus for the population of a game like this. Go play UO, Mortal or Darkfall online .. or any other sand box game that is meant for fair fights. If you are in my realm fighting another player from another realm I will assist you just like I would assume you would do if it were me. If I saw a group of reds coming at me when I am fighting 1vs1 I would expect to be steam rolled because that is what this game is. Accept it or move on to something more your style.

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Postby Keoki » Aug 29, 2012 04:21

Mcslicendice wrote:This is a game based solely on group/zerg pvp (which is RvR)... it should be red is dead. These players who call for fair fights are a virus for the population of a game like this. Go play UO, Mortal or Darkfall online .. or any other sand box game that is meant for fair fights. If you are in my realm fighting another player from another realm I will assist you just like I would assume you would do if it were me. If I saw a group of reds coming at me when I am fighting 1vs1 I would expect to be steam rolled because that is what this game is. Accept it or move on to something more your style.


Common sense at its finest right there ^^

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Postby RonELuvv » Aug 29, 2012 15:43

Yah, because I'm sure neither one of you two has been upset when you were fighting a guy 1 vs 1 and winning and a fg came along and killed you? Nah, I'm sure that never bothers you. Everyone says that this game is about realm pride, but almost every person I know on this game plays at least 2 realms if not 3 realms. Everyone says that this game is about "red is dead" and kill on sight, then they QQ in broad or guild chat about how they just got ganked.

If you want to play with an idea that 3 realms are truly at constant war and ALL enemys (gray/solo/whatever) are all dead on sight, then I think it is YOU who are on the wrong server. As soon as they allowed people to play multiple realms that whole scenario went out the window. Also realise, this server wouldnt have the amount of people that it does and keep a good portion of those players if it wasnt for letting people play multiple realms.

Some people here like Zerg, some like 8 vs 8, some prefer small man, and some prefer 1 vs 1 fights. This game allows for all of those. Yes, there are going to be times guys like you 2 above gank me in a 1 vs 1 fight and I will get upset. However, that is part of the game. I can then decide the next time I see you out there on you visi toons on whether or not I want to add your fight, stay out of it, help you (if were on the same realm), or let you die. Most people learn over time that its alot easier on this server when you try and play with at least a little bit of respect to fellow players. If not all 3 realms will go out of there way to make sure you die. This is the way it is on this server, and if YOU dont like it I would prolly move along to something else.
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Postby Spivo » Aug 29, 2012 15:50

RonELuvv wrote:As soon as they allowed people to play multiple realms that whole scenario went out the window.


They never allowed this...
On Live people who had chars in different realms on the dif. servers, suddenly had multiple realms to play when they clustered. And they made a relog timer which when it came out was pretty severe?
Else you had to make a new account.

On Uthgard people can make unlimited amount of accounts for free, so they can play in every realm at no extra cost.

They never "allowed" it, in fact DaoC in it's core (until cluster, or with free accounts) didn't allow it.
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Postby Spivo » Aug 29, 2012 16:11

I think playing in multiple realms does lower peoples enjoyment of the game, as it completely washes out the concept of realm-pride.

To me the funnest times in DaoC were the realm relic defences, and I bet the mids that wiped an alb relic attempt 2 months ago, or so, did for the most part feel like a good realm'ish feeling. Should add I was playing alb... but I bet it must have felt good for the mids to rally around and wipe us.

And I seriously won't ever understand the "I won't kill my guildy" mentality some people have. On Tintagel cluster I remember running in a trio with a savage, who'd get huge kicks out of killing his guildies.

Sure, respec is great. But take a player like Divin (respect goes to his solo abilities), he always soloes, so does this mean that groups will never be able to kill him without being disrespectful? Or the countless of assassins and such, who would never hesitate to plow through a solo caster trying to reach his group on the other side of AMG. Can't this caster enact vengance when he has a chance (is grouped for healing through viper 3), or is the assassin sacred and can only be touched solo?

Respect, in RvR, is to me when you help your realm-mates, when you as an alb group doesn't just kill the hib fighting a mid, but both of them. But it's also coming back to fight the group(s) you've beaten 3 times, and not log when they finally manage to get their act together and beat you.
I don't think the add/zerg etc... is about respect, but about looking in the mirror and ask if you want a challenge or just rp's.

My reason for not hitting soloers, when I'm grouped, is because it means losing speed, and you always seem to get inc when you group is spread out chasing a skald, or ball mezzed trying to find a vanished assassin :)
And with that sentence, I describe myself as wanting rp's, but being to afraid to collect them :P
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Postby IS-Lazaren » Aug 29, 2012 16:30

as for me i dont hunt dont unknown casuel player the only reason why i dont attack all is
that i want to fight those who want to fight me and not hunt down every single rp i can get
i like fair fights atleast those where i get close to death. long fights i like most. and i enjoy most difficult fights with known players cause they respect each other solo player on battlefield
even if i get zerged i never feel ****** cause this is whats can happen when you fight amg and im used to it ^^
but when i see 2 attacking a mate next to me unfair i will add too ;)

i dont tell anyone how to play and i hope that those let me play how i want too ;)
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Postby RonELuvv » Aug 29, 2012 20:14

Spivo wrote:
RonELuvv wrote:As soon as they allowed people to play multiple realms that whole scenario went out the window.


They never allowed this...
On Live people who had chars in different realms on the dif. servers, suddenly had multiple realms to play when they clustered. And they made a relog timer which when it came out was pretty severe?
Else you had to make a new account.

On Uthgard people can make unlimited amount of accounts for free, so they can play in every realm at no extra cost.

They never "allowed" it, in fact DaoC in it's core (until cluster, or with free accounts) didn't allow it.


I was not referring to live when I said this. I was referring to Uthgard. They always allowed for people to play all 3 realms on Uthgard, which was good for population but bad for realm pride. Yes, on live people could play multiple realms but on different servers. Yes, I know when they clustered you could play on multiple realms on one server, but I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about "classic" DAoC when you played 1 realm per server.

I also agree 100% with Lazaren. I try and not tell people how to play. I will ask nicely not to add and if they choose to do so then I will keep my mouth shut. Its just frustrating when you have a very competitive fight with a player of equal strength and sombody comes along and add's in looking for easy rp's disguised as a person "helping" out his realm.

What alot of you that play the "red is dead" mentality dont understand is that most people when added or zerg'd will just log off. For me that means no more action. So I go out at 1900 (Central American Time) and I see a bunch of Hib stealthers around. I find a Mid SB and pop him and am having a good fight with him. 3 more rangers hop in and kill the SB. That SB is probably going to log as well as inform the other solo players that AMG is being camped by several stealthers and its not worth going out there. Now instead of encouraging this guy to keep coming back out and have sustained fun action, instead we have 4 hib stealthers standing around complaining because there is no incoming, but dont worry because Hibernia won the war and now is rewarded with plenty of boredom and wasted charges and potions. Yay Realm Pride FTW!! :wall:
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Postby Orihiime » Aug 29, 2012 20:25

Dont use charge and potion then. One thing that wont be wasted at least :P
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Postby RonELuvv » Aug 29, 2012 20:41

Yah, because we all know how well you take it when you are added on your SB or really any toon of yours except for your ranger. You never lose your temper and yell at people for adding your fights, using their RA's, or just generally killing you in RvR. :roll:

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Postby Orihiime » Aug 29, 2012 21:23

Hahaha yes :p its like this ban for insult everyone know i never insult ppl
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Postby Magni » Aug 30, 2012 02:56

Everyone in RvR has the ability to gank solos, to roll over a duo when you are in a group of 5+ people, or stealth zerg a solo.

What separates man from beast? Civility.

Can every class play fair? No (Hunters/stealthers exploit situations of weakness). Sometimes emain is dead, so lets get rps and kill a solo or two. Sure, you can do that.

But, when I am ganked by 3+ people in a group, you show me your true colors. That you are no different than a beast (not the good kind of beast, a beast with no self control). Keep that in mind. :)

P.S. The whole oh hes my realm mate so I am going to add his fight and gank the other single target is a terrible argument. Sure, its a great one for the 12 y/o boy who sees this game as merely factional, but it is not. It is far more complex then that. Yes, it involves respect.

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Postby Mcslicendice » Aug 30, 2012 05:36

Well, you will play how you play and I will play as I play. I don't care if people cannot respect the way the game was meant to be played and I don't care if I lose your respect for playing how I know it should be played. I play a single realm and I will attack any mid/hib that I see even if my own realm mates dislike it. The reason you think the way that you do is totally different from the way that I think the way I do is because you chose to make this game something other than what it was meant to be.

When I played on live if I knew you had other realm toons on the same server (I left long before clusters came out) I chose not to have dealings with you. I know it is different on this server but that does not mean that I am going to change my play style. I chose a realm and will only play that realm. Red is dead.

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Postby ZaiQQ » Aug 30, 2012 06:23

Mcslicendice wrote:Well, you will play how you play and I will play as I play. I don't care if people cannot respect the way the game was meant to be played and I don't care if I lose your respect for playing how I know it should be played. I play a single realm and I will attack any mid/hib that I see even if my own realm mates dislike it. The reason you think the way that you do is totally different from the way that I think the way I do is because you chose to make this game something other than what it was meant to be.

When I played on live if I knew you had other realm toons on the same server (I left long before clusters came out) I chose not to have dealings with you. I know it is different on this server but that does not mean that I am going to change my play style. I chose a realm and will only play that realm. Red is dead.


Hello creator of daoc. This scares me. People badmouthing elitists all day? Casuals are by far worse.
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Postby Shafi » Aug 30, 2012 09:23

Mcslicendice wrote:Well, you will play how you play and I will play as I play. I don't care if people cannot respect the way the game was meant to be played and I don't care if I lose your respect for playing how I know it should be played. I play a single realm and I will attack any mid/hib that I see even if my own realm mates dislike it. The reason you think the way that you do is totally different from the way that I think the way I do is because you chose to make this game something other than what it was meant to be.

When I played on live if I knew you had other realm toons on the same server (I left long before clusters came out) I chose not to have dealings with you. I know it is different on this server but that does not mean that I am going to change my play style. I chose a realm and will only play that realm. Red is dead.


I am glad we have finally settled things. In the end it all comes down to respect. And unfortunately people are no longe able to respect the way the game was intented to be played.
Fortunately there are still patriots like Mcslicendice and Sighden who stand for the original spirit of DAoC... :lol:
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