My thoughts on these taking away value from SI is confusing to me. Couldnt we just implement a different set of skins besides the epic skins, if that is what SI uses? Also, once you guys decide what to do with Taj2 items and item degradation is implemented, people will be using SI for items to fill in for old Taj2 items as much as for the skins. I'm just thinking of something as a strictly RvR oriented reward that would have zero impact on the game except for looks. In order to keep it simple maybe just make the most simple forms possible. For example on Hib:

All cloth wearers get the same reskin
All Reinforced wearers get the same skin
All scale get the same skin

Same could go for all 3 realms that way you dont have to come up with a "special" skin for each class like the epic pieces do.

we could use the skin for aurulite armor, I think it looks cool without being ridiculous like some of the TOA stuff.

People complain that are high RR with many Bounty points can go ahead and get a head start and buy the reskins. Yea so what is wrong with that? Explain to me how that is bad that people who are high RR already should not be able to use their Bounty points that they have already saved for there work they already put in the game.

That’s like me saying that all the hard work you have done in the past and that you saved is worth nothing. And that you are not allowed to buy any of the new stuff that your money should be able to buy, but instead having to start your savings account from scratch again. That does not seem fair.

Now about encouraging people to RvR, there is no doubt that more people will RvR and possibly bring back some old players back in the game. Now how many that will bring back or will be more active in RvR its hard to say. But I can tell from experience it will greatly encourage my wife to RvR since she is all about “Fashion” and cares more about having cool looking armor more than anything else.

Grendle wrote:Now about encouraging people to RvR, there is no doubt that more people will RvR and possibly bring back some old players back in the game. Now how many that will bring back or will be more active in RvR its hard to say. But I can tell from experience it will greatly encourage my wife to RvR since she is all about “Fashion” and cares more about having cool looking armor more than anything else.

Well... if this should bring more ppl to rvr we are really at the last chance here lolz

Speaking as a normal Player of a game:
I dont need a special skin for my axe (for example, because mine seems a small indian axe..) to get involved in the "rvr situation", i need >fun< that keep me in game

this could be an incentive to keep action on the same character maybe.

RonELuvv wrote:While Blue is rewriting the RvR code to implement bigger changes, I would throw out the idea of putting in something with a bit more value for BP's. I would suggest Epic reskin scrolls that are non tradable for high BP's.

i absolutely like the idea! Won't use it but i know how much impact such "fluff" can have
And it changes nothing of the game mechanics - very nice proposal!

Btw. are you already in the Council, RonELuvv? And if not: why not?

Caemma wrote:

Grendle wrote:Now about encouraging people to RvR, there is no doubt that more people will RvR and possibly bring back some old players back in the game. Now how many that will bring back or will be more active in RvR its hard to say. But I can tell from experience it will greatly encourage my wife to RvR since she is all about “Fashion” and cares more about having cool looking armor more than anything else.

Well... if this should bring more ppl to rvr we are really at the last chance here lolz

Speaking as a normal Player of a game:
I dont need a special skin for my axe (for example, because mine seems a small indian axe..) to get involved in the "rvr situation", i need >fun< that keep me in game

this could be an incentive to keep action on the same character maybe.

You may not need it, but others may want it. I for one would want it. I know a lot of others who would want it too. The byproduct of this? You get to have your >fun< because more people are out in RvR trying to get the things they want. I really could care less WHAT the reskin, effect, luster or any other aesthetic becomes available, as long as there is a few of some sort available.

BobtheSkelly wrote: I really could care less WHAT the reskin, effect, luster or any other aesthetic becomes available, as long as there is a few of some sort available.

We have a deal.

When SI comes you'll freely have access to items with Epic armor skin via PVE

Abydos wrote:

BobtheSkelly wrote: I really could care less WHAT the reskin, effect, luster or any other aesthetic becomes available, as long as there is a few of some sort available.

We have a deal.

When SI comes you'll freely have access to items with Epic armor skin via PVE

Thats fine and dandy. But that bypasses the whole point of this thread. Forget epic armor reskins, those can be reserved for SI. What about weapon lusters for dropped weapons, effect scrolls, or any other type of reskin that would be available with bounty points? I'm not a PvE hater, but any incentive at all to get people out into RvR is a plus that does not affect actual gameplay can only help assuming the rewards gained would be locked to that particular character. I think it would be a great touch to this server, as it word would get out that all of a sudden you can customize your character to show all the hard work you have put into RvR if you so choose to do so.

Abydos wrote:

BobtheSkelly wrote: I really could care less WHAT the reskin, effect, luster or any other aesthetic becomes available, as long as there is a few of some sort available.

We have a deal.

When SI comes you'll freely have access to items with Epic armor skin via PVE

it is really fascinating how one can completely ignore the actual topic of this thread. it is NOT about reskins. it is about incentives to motivate people to go to emain.

there is just 2 points to discuss here:
a) is the server staff interested in incentives to bolster rvr-participation?
b) what kind of incentive is suitable and how can they best be implemented into the game (not technically).

from what i've read in this thread so far, no one is against the OPs idea to improve the current rvr-participation by new incentives/rewards. so basically point a) is fine by everyone, even the staff did not argue against it.

so that leaves us with point b). at the moment, there are several sub-points:

b-a) is bp the right "value"? it seems not, since you want to get people started from scratch, which i think is totally fine. so implement a new kind of points that equally scales with bps.

b-b) make the items non-tradable or tradable - since people fear high prices and we want everyone to participate in rvr, make them non-tradable.

b-c) reward-type: if epic reskins are not up for discussion, why not make it weapon reskin / any other reskin, special colours whatsoever? make it glow effects for the weapons! so many options.

so, to summarize it: no one is against the idea to bolster rvr-participation, a new reward system can be introduced and the rewards are non-tradable and are different from what currently exists. it does not conflict with the gameplay and just makes things shiny and bright. and if it justs brings 15 people more to emain, that would be already awesome.

Abydos wrote:We have a deal.

When SI comes you'll freely have access to items with Epic armor skin via PVE

So it sounds like the only way people can get reskined gear is PvE only? So when Si comes out, and you impliment armor degrading it forces people out of RvR and back until PvE. RvR is already suffering as is, and the american hours may take a big hit in RvR as the population shrinks and they need to PvE to replace gear and want cool looking gear.

Why can we not have any encourgement to RvR? We have the RP bonus but that is at American hours and not Euros. Why not allow reskined something for RvR players? It doenst hurt anything, and it wont degrade SI becuase the armor they reskined will have to be replaced sooner or later, and they will need to sink time into pve.

It doesnt hurt you if you dont ve a reskined item either. If you want a special skin you ve to invest a special amount of time in PvE.
And the degrade system in Daoc is pretty slow, you can RvR till rr9-10 easily w/o the need of replaceing any item.

The incoming SI items are going to devalue my Epic Reskinned Vest!

It's not fair! I won that at an Xmas Event last year.

it seems like it is impossible to have a proper discussion about the issue at stake. unbelievable. you keep on derailing from the topic with every new posts.

it is about to bolster rvr participation by rewards / incentives. not about epic reskins. my points are stated 3-4 posts above, so are the threadowners'. please refer to these.

BobtheSkelly wrote:

Caemma wrote:

Grendle wrote:Now about encouraging people to RvR, there is no doubt that more people will RvR and possibly bring back some old players back in the game. Now how many that will bring back or will be more active in RvR its hard to say. But I can tell from experience it will greatly encourage my wife to RvR since she is all about “Fashion” and cares more about having cool looking armor more than anything else.

Well... if this should bring more ppl to rvr we are really at the last chance here lolz

Speaking as a normal Player of a game:
I dont need a special skin for my axe (for example, because mine seems a small indian axe..) to get involved in the "rvr situation", i need >fun< that keep me in game

this could be an incentive to keep action on the same character maybe.

You may not need it, but others may want it. I for one would want it. I know a lot of others who would want it too. The byproduct of this? You get to have your >fun< because more people are out in RvR trying to get the things they want. I really could care less WHAT the reskin, effect, luster or any other aesthetic becomes available, as long as there is a few of some sort available.

So ppl play here because the want a nice weapon with pink color? Oh god, change game... there are millions game more "fashion" than daoc

Anyway, i agree that there are some ppl that want these things, so i'll be happy if they will add these fashion things.

We are speaking about SI as it will be release tomorrow... any news about when? 5-6 month? 1 year? 3 weeks?

At its core, it may sound like an incentive to get players out to RVR - but in reality, any implementation mentioned here wouldn't be achievable by the people who say they can't find inc anyway.

That being said, weapon enamels are also available in SI (or the event merchant)