Elvis wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:i guess there is not much hope for hunter. There are still some bugs, but even when they are all fixed hunter will perform poor. The target patch level of Uthgard (1.69) was a patch level where hunter sucked.

Hunters didn't suck. I played a hunter classic live and it was challenging, yes, but great fun.

I'm going to play my hunter through Thid and then it will rest until Hunters get fixed. Untill that day comes, well there are other (stealth) classes which i can play

just hope sth get fixed BEFORE old ra comes. than ur hunter can rest till the end of uthgard^^

No way. With your basics (TS, Purge, IP) you can/could play solo - once you get/got AP2+, game gets/got really funny. Sure, current style of play will not be possible anymore due to see hidden. You could play a hunter solo or hunter duo in the old see hidden days (well the really old days were frustrating, but we'll get the nerfed see hidden), why shouldn't this be possible today (same abilities/rules needed of course)?

Was running TS, Purge, IP and AP3 on my old hunter - best time of my daoc life

But you're right. let's hope they fix hunters first. Needed RA's will require something between rr5 and 6

I dont know if True Sight will be viable for alot of players. If you play prime time it might be doable or if your playing in group with other hunters/scouts/rangers since you can spread out the TS's. Otherwise, when you go out to say AMG and you pop TS during American prime time you have 2 things you will normally see. 1) A zerg of other stealthers and you cant shoot one because you will get jumped by all the others or 2) nothing and you will have to wait another 30 minutes to use it again. I played w/ the RA calculator and I dont even think at 9L that I would invest in TS. I did have it on live classic days and loved it, but that was when I was running w/ stealther groups on a regular basis.

My hunter is lvl 49.9 and fully templated (only 2 resists not capped) with 44 spear and 35 bow, 32 BC. He's norseman.

Bow damage seems good to me but I don't know how it compares. The ONLY thing I care about that worries me is how correct Spear is. It seems to hit pretty hard, I faced a 49 Friar also templated and our damage was about equal, but what really scared me is that he parried/evaded SIX of my attacks.

The only thing I learned from reading this thead that was SOLID FACTS is Hunters don't get as slow bows as others, and...thats it? Also something about defense penetration being garbage, which might explain why that Friar was evading and parrying like ******.

Then again, I did forget to state that I wear studded, Friar wears leather, and I have PD3...I doubt that friar had any PD ;o so maybe I should hit harder...

I just don't know because I don't have the option of doing any tests from live to compare, but if someone could...somehow...there is also the factor that my spear is thrust which is weak against leather. Crush isn't exactly strong against studded though so..

But I really don't know. Like most others in this thread it's just theories and speculation.

I hope the discussion continues.

DB42 wrote:Then again, I did forget to state that I wear studded, Friar wears leather, and I have PD3...I doubt that friar had any PD ;o so maybe I should hit harder...

Don´t forget that Friars got their self ABS buffs:
lvl26 - 5%
lvl34 - 10%
lvl44 - 15%
So the friar you faced might have had a totally ABS of 25%.

DB42 wrote:My hunter is lvl 49.9 and fully templated (only 2 resists not capped) with 44 spear and 35 bow, 32 BC. He's norseman.

Bow damage seems good to me but I don't know how it compares. The ONLY thing I care about that worries me is how correct Spear is. It seems to hit pretty hard, I faced a 49 Friar also templated and our damage was about equal, but what really scared me is that he parried/evaded SIX of my attacks.

The only thing I learned from reading this thead that was SOLID FACTS is Hunters don't get as slow bows as others, and...thats it? Also something about defense penetration being garbage, which might explain why that Friar was evading and parrying like [I am a little bunny and like flowers].

Then again, I did forget to state that I wear studded, Friar wears leather, and I have PD3...I doubt that friar had any PD ;o so maybe I should hit harder...

I have a norse hunter with the same spec and friar with 44 staff. Friars cant get PD but alb leather is resistant to thrust, studded is neutral to crush. Yes your dmg should be close but the problem is not the dmg as you said. I can eaisly beat assassins down to %50 at back stun chain but after the stun they evade nearly everything. DW and CD is superior to any 2H for sure. Pet dmg is a joke, they hit for 10-20 to cloth users and only work for rupting. As a result there is no point of comparing hunter vs ranger. Hunter is only playeble as a mos bot if you have some sb friends to group with, or all you can do is add.

Sorry for my english.

Imagine hunter's pet would cut evade in half like DW/CD/LA.... never seen Topic would flood Uthfourm: "Hunter is OP"

Hail to the King, Baby!

I have familiarized myself with my Hunter again. (Tried some PvE, tired some RvR, etc.)

I'm 3L4 with 32 BC, 46 Spear and templated, and I got taken from 100% HP to 0, killed, by a yellow RvR guard when trying to task. He blocked/parried/evaded so much that I eventually died. I felt really gimpy. Spear is just impossible to hit anything with, the styles are arguably worse than Sword (aside from backstun), and the damage is nothing exceptional in any way.

Spear is kinda broken, simply. My weaponskill and weapon damage is high but those seem to be cosmetic numbers. Not sure how defense checks are actually performed.

I'm not too bothered by it, I will respec Sword and go 1h with a shield and spam polar rift all day. Maybe one day Spear will be fixed but at least Hunters HAVE a viable melee line. The only problem now is that pet is absolutely useless. Scouts get slam, Rangers get CD and uber buffs, Hunter gets a retarded old dog that might as well be a social pet.

I AIN'T EVEN MAD, I'm just telling it like it is. ^^

Buff the hunter pet a bit so it performs like live, fix weaponskill check on spear, done? Sounds easy enough but I know coding is never easy.

Anyway, I will report back to how I am doing with Sword. I have the sword and shield crafted, just need to modify template and get a respec.

Salute to all the Hunters who still try.

DB42 wrote:I have familiarized myself with my Hunter again. (Tried some PvE, tired some RvR, etc.)

Anyway, I will report back to how I am doing with Sword. I have the sword and shield crafted, just need to modify template and get a respec.

Dont' exspect too much!
I am interested in your experience with Sword/Shield.

/wave
Siarien

DB42 wrote:I have familiarized myself with my Hunter again. (Tried some PvE, tired some RvR, etc.)

Anyway, I will report back to how I am doing with Sword. I have the sword and shield crafted, just need to modify template and get a respec.

Salute to all the Hunters who still try.

I tried it before respec to spear. Even if you are norse you have much more dex then str so spear seems the only way to go for a hunter. imo 1h+shield hunter is like a scout with no shield spec. I enjoyed the snare chain but after block stun never happens against a DW/CD user since you cant realy block. On the other hand slash seems to have more advanted against pirce, i had better dmg with 2h sword then now i have with spear even with low str. I know sounds silly but block/evade rate against my attacks was lower with 39 sword, now i cant touch them with 44 spear lol. Anyway i dont think hunter will be playeble before ''pet-decrease evade in half'' fix comes.

imamizer wrote:

DB42 wrote:I have familiarized myself with my Hunter again. (Tried some PvE, tired some RvR, etc.)

Anyway, I will report back to how I am doing with Sword. I have the sword and shield crafted, just need to modify template and get a respec.

Salute to all the Hunters who still try.

I tried it before respec to spear. Even if you are norse you have much more dex then str so spear seems the only way to go for a hunter. imo 1h+shield hunter is like a scout with no shield spec. I enjoyed the snare chain but after block stun never happens against a DW/CD user since you cant realy block. On the other hand slash seems to have more advanted against pirce, i had better dmg with 2h sword then now i have with spear even with low str. I know sounds silly but block/evade rate against my attacks was lower with 39 sword, now i cant touch them with 44 spear lol. Anyway i dont think hunter will be playeble before ''pet-decrease evade in half'' fix comes.

Sword is 100% strength, Spear is 50/50 str/dex. 85 Strength vs 90 Str/Dex / 2. Minimal difference.

This was discussed many...and I mean MANY...oh so M A N Y times now.

and nothing happened . My first char on Live was a Hunter and I loved him, it was friggn hell to play him...but i really loved him. Here...its impossible to play hunter in RvR. They are suffering too hard from missing Weaponskill and 2H malus, pet dmg for him is totally screwed up...bow dmg is very low.


so far, your dmg is ONLY calculated by your stats ( dex/qui for Spear / Strength only for sword ) + due to WS bug you will be always on the short end of the dmg cuz CD / DW is W A Y superior to 2h here...even scout laugh about Hunters .


My best regads to all the masochists out there who still keep trying...youre the real heroes on this server

Cjasca wrote:This was discussed many...and I mean MANY...oh so M A N Y times now.

and nothing happened . My first char on Live was a Hunter and I loved him, it was friggn hell to play him...but i really loved him. Here...its impossible to play hunter in RvR. They are suffering too hard from missing Weaponskill and 2H malus, pet dmg for him is totally screwed up...bow dmg is very low.


so far, your dmg is ONLY calculated by your stats ( dex/qui for Spear / Strength only for sword ) + due to WS bug you will be always on the short end of the dmg cuz CD / DW is W A Y superior to 2h here...even scout laugh about Hunters .


My best regads to all the masochists out there who still keep trying...youre the real heroes on this server

Best regards for scout also, that are not really better lol

Scouts just need to uncover. We recently learned that you can become a RR11 mosbot on Uthgard

there are many many more mosbots...u just dont notice them...( cuz they are on your side maybe? )