yeah and so we should block a topic... there is no really reason to block till some peoples want to react...

@jeze
it's not a german topic cause it's in international section... and people agreed to continue in english...

and if others people continue in german ... i'll have to say everytime <<ENGLISH PLEASE>> and i'll be called french frog and i hate that...

cause i'am not french so be polite please ^^

For a good working group steathers are not a real problem. I played on both sides of the fence (Shami, Berserk, ... and Hunter) and it really comes to the same whether you are a stealther or not. Coordination is what matters in RvR.

If working solo against a coordinted group stealthers seldom have a chance to kill a single group member. At least if noone sleeps.

On the other hand playing short-handed (e.g. 4 against 8 people) a stealther in your group can scout an help confusing your opponents.

Stealthers are part of the game and skilled players (some of which I really envy for their reflexes) hunt down a stealther in no time. The pet caster in Albion is a real stealther pain for example.

You just have to adapt and watch your team mates backs.

PS:
I agree, playing a supporter myself, that it is fun too.

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Für eine gut funktionierende Gruppe sind Schleicher kein echtes Problem. Ich habe beide Seiten gespielt (Shami, Berserker, ... Jäger) und es läuft im RvR immer auf das gleiche raus, egal ob Schleicher oder nicht: Koordination.

Schleicher, die alleine auf eine gut funktionierende Gruppe losgehen werden nur selten wirklich erfolgreich sein und ein Mitglied töten. Zumindest wenn keiner schläft

Auf der anderen Seite kann ein Schleicher in der eigenen Unterzahl-Gruppe nützlich als Kundschafter dienen, oder einfach nur um die Gegner ein bisschen zu verwirren.

Schleicher sind Teil des Spiels und gute Spieler (von denen ich schon einige gesehen habe, die ich um ihre guten Reflexe beneide), haben einen Schleicher in Nullkomman nix erwischt. Pet-Zauberer, wie der in Albion können einen Schleicher in den Wahnsinn treiben.

Man muss sich eben anpassen und seinen Teamgefähren den Rücken freihalten.

PS:
Ich stimme übrigens als jemand, der häufig Supporter spielt zu: Das macht Riesenspass.

Well, I'am one of those players that prefer playing a supporter actually. Druids and Clerics are my favorite chars (sorry Mids, guess I'am not a good mezzer, just average but when it comes to healing you got me on the right spot). Playing a supporter really isn't that bad.

To be a good supporter you need to have a certain sense for teamwork. You won't serve your group well if you just keep your RP bar in mind. Rely on your group mates, do your best to keep them alive or bring them back to life and everything, usually, works out.

As for stealthers: this is not live, stealthers are not overpowered. K, this charge situation is sorta difficult but still.. stealthers where patched to be played with a BB, sad but true, so on uthgard they are handicapped. Building decend templates for stealthers is also kinda hard here. This is no plea for buffbots because I can't stand buffbotters... actually as a stealther out here you're pretty much assed

I dont see any sense in blocking stealther numbers. Frustrate players that sometimes have alot of sole work to do, to get a few points even more just leads to fact, that players will be leaving uthgard. Sorry kids, but playing a stealther is often about preying on the weak. Thats the game.. and thats also the way it should be.

Playing a stealther request to be patient and knowing the game a bit, particulary on uthgard. It's like fishing or hunting.
You have also to be tricky, using all disadvantages of your enemy, particulary when they are numbered (what happen more than often).
Stealther can be real deadly or you just pass your time to chain /release command.
It's also a good char when you don't play really often.

About the fact in live server stealther were designed for buffbot, i would say, the whole game was designed with this value, and for the arpee's race even for players for same realm.

The first "days" of daoc was designed for player's community (I remember the lvl 2/3 quest in Galpen, the first step was to find a groupe member). Then during time, because Mythic was looking for profit, they just heard what most asked and redraw the game as it is today.
Infortunatly most asked for egoistic way of play, for being the strongest player as possible.

We have luck to play on a shard, to keep community (whole, or realm ones) gathered and communicate with the staff to try to balance gameplay and fun (like last instancied event).

If you want to restrain stealthers, you will have to restrain sorcerer, eldritch, warrior, mercenary .. and so on


Pirith.

Das Thema wurde in deutsch gestartet und damit ist es ein deutsches und ich antworte deutsch. <-- Punkt

Je mehr Nervensägen versuchen mir vorzuschreiben, dass ich in englisch auf ein deutsches Posting antworten muss, um so mehr Lust bekomme ich nur noch deutsch zu posten.

Der Thread dient nur noch Selbstdarstellern wie Panachir dazu sich eine virtuelle Daseinsberechtigung zu erspammen indem er nach jeder deutschen Antwort weint.

Danke für die zahlreichen Replay's

Auch wenn oft argumentiert wurde, wie wenn es um eine Abschaffung gienge geht doch eines klar aus den replay's hervor:

Offenbar ist eine überwiegende Mehrheit gegen eine Begrenzung der schleichenden Klassen. Das ist gut zu wissen und somit ist der Sinn des Postes für mich erfüllt.


greez


Sylvaner

Gerbald wrote:Das Thema wurde in deutsch gestartet und damit ist es ein deutsches und ich antworte deutsch. <-- Punkt

Je mehr Nervensägen versuchen mir vorzuschreiben, dass ich in englisch auf ein deutsches Posting antworten muss, um so mehr Lust bekomme ich nur noch deutsch zu posten.

Der Thread dient nur noch Selbstdarstellern wie Panachir dazu sich eine virtuelle Daseinsberechtigung zu erspammen indem er nach jeder deutschen Antwort weint.

4players called: give us back panachier ^^

Stealthers come in 3 kinds: Noobie stealthers
1337 experienced Stealthers
Smart Grouping stealthers


I was killed with Monty in braemar the other day , 4 luris PA'd us with ... freaky timing, i was quite impressed, if we could get that teamwork in Albion , my my ..

@Lillian: Timing is easy if you have Teamspeak or some other kind of oral communication. I can't count all the victims i caught while standing still to write in chat (playing ns myself think i was one of the 4 ^^)

so true, I can see that chat log: STEALTHe1113333333

xD

fg stealther is hard to do and need team speak for sure. without that impossible, i remember i tried one time in a fg and we werent able to do a kill. sure if you are on TS with minestrel/4scouts/3infi it can be totaly different. but not speaking german,it's impossible for me

but playing with archi and merry with TS it's funny enough and we can do some kills. better to do smalls groups stealthers to get RPs i think

PS: by the way i love stealther zerg in breamar 2 hours to put a PA

Everyone hates stealthers , i know, but not all of us are useless, just because we dont chant , we dont heal or we dont give you 1337 speed doesnt mean we're useless

i would see stealthers as an invaluable tactical char rlly,
just think about what an infi could to in capturing a keep when it has a teammate ? goddamn we could spank their behinds on the wall while theyre bombing your sorry asses to smithereens , but nooooooo stealthers dont give us heals or buffs. Duuuuuuuuuuh

hmmm dunno who said that stealthers are worthless for grp rvr. can only talk for myself.it strongly depends on the player. if you want to play the role of a light-tank with better solo abilities then this is the wrong place for you.
i can just present my point as a shadowblade.

sure, we do lack in hp and the overall damageoutput of a light-tank.the missing armor+lack of determination definatly a big disadvantage.

but there are two things that make up for it .stealth+envenom

the ability to provide the tanks with the various forms of envenom is really amazing if used correct. snare/disease really make a difference during an equal matchup.

the ability to scout ( watch the back of the group while taking a tower/ climb into keeps)

the impact of an PA is not really nessecary but helps too

when i have a bad day and play lazy, i am just a gimped light tank. doesn´t happen often though but with my current playstyle/spec i provide the group with more utility than any zerker/thane on this server.

i rather run in smaller groups anyway (up to four ppl) its much more challenging.and in those groups i usually give the buffs (charges) lol

played correct every class can be usefull.

OT:

for those ppl who keep /callgm that i use a buffbot :
i have 2 charges up ALL the time (str/con , haste ,af or damage add) + potions.
i use every legal opportunity the game offers while wearing a descent SC armor. its not my bad if you are bad equipped- i spent a LOT of time to farm those items / money for SC and i´m want the reward for that.

Look , every char fits in the magical triangle of MMORPG

Fighter beats Rogue
Rogue beats Caster
Caster beats Fighter

It can only be changed by the help of support classes or some smart thinking or being overpowered ...
Stop breaking classes , they all have a purpose...

The only reason i can think of you breaking stealthers, is cuz they CAN be lame and annoying...
Who likes to have some guy pop up in front of your nose and open a can o' whoopass on you + stun ?
Or who would like to have some guy pop up behind him and put some arrows in his behind ?
Noone , but who would like to be bombed to death or smacked to the ground ?

Theres nothing wrong with stealthers ...