There is a LoS check, I do turn, and I do lose speed, but if i start kiting at 1500 range I will be able to get off 8-9 lifetaps before you're close enough to melee, and you have to pop a endu pot to keep up at all.

Yes I did a bit of soloing as 4l2, and I got a quite expensive template, using every possible charge for hp gain and even ablatives to stand a chance vs stealthers.

Didn't know pesti actually figured out he can kite and lifetap!

Currently im just soloing when I get a big enough window from my primetime setgroup (respecs go like candy!)
~Slina

Loranos wrote:Can't put Slina or Pesti as standard.

Slina has an awesome temp, good skill and now decent RR (did you run with 4L2 solo aswell? dont remember.. if so, good job).
Same goes for Pesti with an overkill of RAs.

Pff BD needs even less skill than a zerker no skill involved in this dumb class. especially solo

GoGreen wrote:

Loranos wrote:Can't put Slina or Pesti as standard.

Slina has an awesome temp, good skill and now decent RR (did you run with 4L2 solo aswell? dont remember.. if so, good job).
Same goes for Pesti with an overkill of RAs.

Pff BD needs even less skill than a zerker no skill involved in this dumb class. especially solo

So lets hear who your main?

Option A: Viper3 Assasin
Option B: PD4 Ranger
Option C: Valewalker/Thane/Reaver

Oh, you're actually Krahe! Nice zerging/guardtasking to rr9, thumbs up!

ZaiQQ wrote:

GoGreen wrote:

Loranos wrote:Can't put Slina or Pesti as standard.

Slina has an awesome temp, good skill and now decent RR (did you run with 4L2 solo aswell? dont remember.. if so, good job).
Same goes for Pesti with an overkill of RAs.

Pff BD needs even less skill than a zerker no skill involved in this dumb class. especially solo

So lets hear who your main?

Option A: Viper3 Assasin
Option B: PD4 Ranger
Option C: Valewalker/Thane/Reaver

Oh, you're actually Krahe! Nice zerging/guardtasking to rr9, thumbs up!

Damn it you got me ^^ NOT
It's quite obvious that a BD is one of the simpelst chars ever created especially on Uthgard with crapy pet and 4sec lifetap.
Compare your quickbar with an eld / sorc / cabba and claim again there is any skill involved.
Basically BD solo skill boils down to whether to fight at amg or not, but this decision is independent of the class.

It's quite simple in terms of mechanics for 1v1, but if you tried soloing with one on uth you're gonna have to do more then just hold down your lifetap and stand still vs most enemies. But an elds quickbar isn't much bigger. Spec dd, disease, snare, mezz, stun, ns, stat debuffs , quickcast. Where mine is baseline dd, lifetap, root, body debuff, snare nuke, stat debuffs, quickast. I guess he uses one more utility thing then me. And personally I would prefer the 1.87 version of the BD with improved pets and nerfed lifetap. Solo isn't my main concern, I play bd for 8v8.

I'm still not sure why a 4 second life-tap is considered more powerful than a sm or cabbie life-tap that can be cast in less than 2 seconds.

Sure the BD can use it when going toe-to-toe with a clothie, but who does that anyway?

If the Cabbie/SM/BD were all played in the same way by kite 'n cast, then the BD would lose to both.

Or is it that every 4 seconds they can supplement their baseline dd spell with a LT?

ZaiQQ wrote:

GoGreen wrote:

Loranos wrote:Can't put Slina or Pesti as standard.

Slina has an awesome temp, good skill and now decent RR (did you run with 4L2 solo aswell? dont remember.. if so, good job).
Same goes for Pesti with an overkill of RAs.

Pff BD needs even less skill than a zerker no skill involved in this dumb class. especially solo

Option A: Viper3 Assasin

Vip3 is pointless to rape a BD ! Thrusted !

borog wrote:Or is it that every 4 seconds they can supplement their baseline dd spell with a LT?

Correct. Plus when fully implemented they get heal pets.

Kirillow wrote:Correct. Plus when fully implemented they get heal pets.

yes but you can't say they are OP based on the fact that they might someday get pets. Which Blue openly admits is going to be last on the priority list of fixes.

But you also have to bear in mind that in order for a BD to do the most damage, they have to burn a hell of a lot more power, which is quite frankly unsustainable in a fight.

In any given 12 second period, based off delve values, a BD can output 1569 damage, at the cost of 318 power, or there about.
Whereas a Cabbie using baseline LT, can output 1074 damage in the same time frame only using 198 power.
The cabbie spec LT does the same damage but for even less power (174)

And there's the other side of the argument being the health gained from the LT spell. BD's will get back 393 health from that 12 second fight, which wont keep them alive for long, whereas the Cabbie will get back 939 health, which is more than enough to keep them up.

Personally I'm not convinced that it makes a great deal of difference in a fight with the BD.

Obviously the person playing the toon has alot to do with the effectivness of the caster. When Zai plays his BD the best I have done in several battles with him is to come decently close to beating him and I still lost. Bombarlo (imo the best SM i've fought 1 vs 1) has about the same odds on me. So I really think BD, SM, or Sorc are all perfectly viable solo classes IF played properly. I have fought other SM's solo and won a good portion of battles. I have never really fought any other BD besides Zai solo just because I dont see them out at amg solo when I play.

borog wrote:

Kirillow wrote:Correct. Plus when fully implemented they get heal pets.

yes but you can't say they are OP based on the fact that they might someday get pets. Which Blue openly admits is going to be last on the priority list of fixes.

I never said that. I just answered your question

RonELuvv wrote: I have fought other SM's solo and won a good portion of battles.

How do you beat them? They eat my Ranger up!

About the only way I can beat an SM is to open with side stun on them and hopefully that stuns the pet, do the run threw method as fast as you can so they have "Target not in view" for their lifetap, and keep spamming attacks as much as possible. When they get under 30% spam Desperate bowman and drop a dot charge on them then run Hopefully you have done enough dmg on them to kill em. Its not a perfect system at all, but thats the only way I know how to do it. If you cant keep them having the "target is not in view" then you will have a hard time doing enough dmg to finish them off before they kill you. One problem with this method is lots of SM's spam there aoe spell to prevent assasins and other stealthers from sneaking up on them so make sure there not casting when you move in to attack.

Thanks Zack, my Ranger is still in Wilton so, no DB. Up till now, I had been trying to crit shot them and kite away, but it hasn't been working. I can't get away from the pet who slows my speed burst and keeps me from stealthing, then SM nukes me to death so I have begun to avoid them.

Yah, from my experience, any caster with fast cast time lifetaps/interupts bow = worthless. Especially if they have a pet.