If its not live like => bugreport => get tracker on it => wait for fixed state. If its a high prio point make that especially clear in the bugreport that it affects many players and is gamebreaking. Thats all. I remember strafing in combat was also changed after countless discussions and whining on forums. It all has a history on Uth. Even the OOV "bug".

To quote the strafing issue from that thread:

Der_Eisbaer wrote:Genau das kenne ich vom Liveserver nur so, daß man, wenn man von vorne an die Seite des Gegners strafed und dem 'nen Sidestyle drücken will, die Nachricht bekommt, daß man wegen des Strafens nicht zuschlagen kann. Deshalb habe ich es mir extra angewöhnt, mit den Pfeiltasten und einer schnellen Mausbewegung an die Seite des Gegners zu gelangen. Falls das sich hier auf Uthgard genauso verhält, ist's livelike.

Ok, back to topic.

Zerg is due, some add and where is the fairplay when a grp of 11L fight a grp of 4L in emain? Can you explain?
Let's go done all what 5L and you can have fairplay

Blue wrote:They both are in the 8v8 camp. Thats why.

It doesnt really wonder me why newcomers see no chance in endgame RvR and reroll BG chars over and over when I hear that.

Since when is fair play a bad thing ? Adds are what draws people away from endgame rvr, not people looking for fair play. Not every group out there is all rr8+ scary high rr monsters, in fact very few are and not online 24/7.

I log out when I get added and die in a one-sided fight few times in a row. I do not quit when there's fair, fun fights out to be had. I do not care about rps whatsoever. It's not just a "8v8 camp" thing because I don't play only in 8v8. I also run in groups of 2, 3, 4, 5, whatever is necessary and EQUAL to what the enemy group has. I don't wanna add them, zerg them nor force them to log off because that's just a lose-lose situation. Nobody likes dying in ruined and horribly one sided fights over and over -> /quit -> other group left roaming empty frontiers > /quit.

Newcomers see no chance in endgame rvr because of:
1.) The myth that every group out there is a perfect unbeatable high rr guild group.
2.) The myth that pugs cannot beat anything (pug vs pug = division by zero?).
3.) People especially very high rrs shamelessly adding on low rrs fighting what's already a hard battle making them ragequit sooner or later.

What definitely does NOT force newcomers out of frontiers is:
1.) People like me who just want a fair fight and occasionally invite newcomers into their own group because I'm not dumb enough nor prejudiced to think low rr = newbie and even if they are I will give them useful tips on what they should do to better their gameplay further encouraging them to stay in the frontiers.

Lemonjelly wrote:What definitely does NOT force newcomers out of frontiers is:
1.) People like me who just want a fair fight and occasionally invite newcomers into their own group because I'm not dumb enough nor prejudiced to think low rr = newbie and even if they are I will give them useful tips on what they should do to better their gameplay further encouraging them to stay in the frontiers.

By looking how you express your mind and give tips to people on forum, in such an arguing way (really close to insult), i must not believe that noobs loves you after getting adviced from you, even if they are good tips through you good daoc knowledge.
Please, don't pretend to be a teletubbies.

I don't even use irc and any grown up person should be able to handle the way I present myself with relative ease. I'm not flaming anyone, you won't see me going "omg rofl lol u suck delete daoc go kill yourself f*cking newb" etc. I will say "you could have done xy better than that" and if they're willing to further listen it's fine, if they are stubborn enough to think they're right, best players ever etc. when they're far from it that's not my problem but I won't hand out lollipops in order to persuade an adult to listen to me.

We should make a "how to not suck at DAoC" thread with trivial tips like "don't play a useless class" or "add people that play good and you like to play with to your friendslist".

Jarysa wrote:

Zarkor wrote:Out of view is the only real bug here afaik

No, the other two are obvious bugs, too.
Strafing in combat was VERY rare on live as tested by ana in the link i posted (for non germans: 0 strafing in combat messages on 492 attempts)
The melee range is also totally [I am a little bunny and like flowers].

Melee range is fine, it got tested.

Strafing in combat is something I remember being very active on live as well, though if ana tested it then I guess that's a better reference.


If you dont believe melee range is fine, here's a vid from old times that shows how far it goes in the right circumstances (was also shown on other vids from livetests when bug was reported afaik). http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5qyun_daoc-team-emerald-ridere-si-broc-h_videogames
At 13:24 he gets rooted while chasing, at 13:25 he still manages to get that swing off at very high range because his target is running.


@Blue, the OOV IS a REAL BUG. It got caused by the removal of the delay which was a CHANGE because of WHINE on UTH. Imo it is more the staff's job to check whether changing something creates unwanted bugs before doing a change than the community's job to point that out afterwards and not get believed for it or to have it completely ignored.

Zarkor wrote:@Blue, the OOV IS a REAL BUG. It got caused by the removal of the delay which was a CHANGE because of WHINE on UTH. Imo it is more the staff's job to check whether changing something creates unwanted bugs before doing a change than the community's job to point that out afterwards and not get believed for it or to have it completely ignored.

Yup. That change was totally unnecessary. In an attempt to be less DOL-like and more livelike you created a situation that's worse than any of those two.

Zarkor wrote:@Blue, the OOV IS a REAL BUG. It got caused by the removal of the delay which was a CHANGE because of WHINE on UTH. Imo it is more the staff's job to check whether changing something creates unwanted bugs before doing a change than the community's job to point that out afterwards and not get believed for it or to have it completely ignored.

Will take a look at that bug. I remember the vid about the failed PA.

Celteen wrote: Welcome to my world At some point I might gonna publish a picture book with a "best of add flame"
If you guys see daoc just as an esport 8vs8 then I'm sorry but wrong game. What we need is more casual zerg in emain, not another 1337 guild to rule them all and quit after 2 weeks

Go Odin's and don't complain about adds. But then you end up with 1k /h so you will come back emain and start complaining again, but now with 10k /h

Could not have put it any better +1


It makes me wonder the people that post how bad a job the staff are doing ( for free ) why do you stay if things are as bad as you say, Why not play on live they have a paid team who have a full time position sorting bugs out but of course you have to pay monthly for that game

Then again uthgard staff must be doing a terrible job of running this free server that has the highest population by far of any other free shard and stays consistently the highest not bad for a server with very few people running it

.

let me fix that for you

Blue wrote:If its not live like => bugreport

=> A/B (possible to test it on pendragon?)

A: no => => bugreport denied (obvious bug is not obvious)

B: yes => test it => your tests differ from our tests, test it again => C/D

C: seems to be a bug, here's the bugtracker id: #34256 obvious bug in game mechanics (its right after #34255 no tinderbox reward for lvl7 quest: kill xyz)

D: we won't fix it due to the fact that we will switch to old ra's VERY SOON and it'll disappear then, thank you for your sloppy tests

Judoon wrote:It makes me wonder the people that post how bad a job the staff are doing ( for free ) why do you stay if things are as bad as you say, Why not play on live they have a paid team who have a full time position sorting bugs out but of course you have to pay monthly for that game

Then again uthgard staff must be doing a terrible job of running this free server that has the highest population by far of any other free shard and stays consistently the highest not bad for a server with very few people running it

Nobody said they're doing a bad job, they're actually doing an excellent job keeping the server up (7 years?). That doesn't mean every single decision is flawless though. Somethings are obviously wrong when the majority of the population doesn't like and avoids what the game should be about, which is endgame rvr.

Blue wrote:

Zarkor wrote:@Blue, the OOV IS a REAL BUG. It got caused by the removal of the delay which was a CHANGE because of WHINE on UTH. Imo it is more the staff's job to check whether changing something creates unwanted bugs before doing a change than the community's job to point that out afterwards and not get believed for it or to have it completely ignored.

Will take a look at that bug. I remember the vid about the failed PA.

Thanks a lot, it all changed with the removal of the delay a couple months back. Probably a good place to start looking there I guess.

Lemonjelly wrote:Nobody said they're doing a bad job, they're actually doing an excellent job keeping the server up (7 years?). That doesn't mean every single decision is flawless though.

This.

Just made Atasi quit by not letting him do ******. One of the best programmers in the DAoC freeshard community who could have fixed a ton of bugs, implemented old RAs and the necro in the time he wasted doing pretty much nothing.

Gratz.

Jarysa wrote:

Lemonjelly wrote:Nobody said they're doing a bad job, they're actually doing an excellent job keeping the server up (7 years?). That doesn't mean every single decision is flawless though.

This.

Just made Atasi quit by not letting him do [I am a little bunny and like flowers]. One of the best programmers in the DAoC freeshard community who could have fixed a ton of bugs, implemented old RAs and the necro in the time he wasted doing pretty much nothing.

Gratz.

O.o Atasi quit?!