Hoppip wrote:Thank you, Uthgard Staff, for taking the time to implement the Old Frontier maps and world, but upon extensive playing in this ruleset, the general consensus is that few players actually enjoy it. Please re-instate the New Frontiers maps, and abandon any work towards bringing back archaic game functions.

Well stated.

Most of you just want Agramon and instant ports. Without these instant ports there was a LOT of NF whining in these forums. No, thanks. On top of that our NF setting had less players than we have in OF now. We will continue to improve OF first before we even consider NF again.

Also you may consider to reread http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=10985

And in case you forgot that BG's were always prefered on Uthgard and the problems Agramon had read this: http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... =32&t=8837

Blue wrote:Most of you just want Agramon and instant ports. Without these instant ports there was a LOT of NF whining in these forums. No, thanks. On top of that our NF setting had less players than we have in OF now. We will continue to improve OF first before we even consider NF again.

Also you may consider to reread http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=10985

And in case you forgot that BG's were always prefered on Uthgard and the problems Agramon had read this: http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... =32&t=8837

In everyday rvr there's fewer players than it was in NF. There's more players in battlegrounds and pve. Rvr hasn't improved at all, it's actually worse. Soloing and keep fights are completely dead with OF.

You point toa thread made by an OF fanatic who's actually regretting voting for OF and little problems with agramon that could have easily been solved. OF doesn't have those, OF is flawed as a whole. Everything. 3 huge zones with 12 subzones and most of them unusable due to terrible terrain design, the porting timers, long runs, poor keep/siege design. There's absolutely nothing good about OF.

You have found TWO threads about agramon being insufficient. How many threads about OF being junk have popped since OF launch ? At least 10 times as many ?

I did not search for more threads, these were among the first hits. There are way more threads about NF problems in this forum. Just search for yourself. And its a fact that we have more players in RvR than we did in NF. And tbh whining in NF was a lot stronger than what we have now, it just subsided a bit when we introduced XP spots in Agramon and made instant teleports available.

Btw yesterday I logged in and immediately saw a small keep fight. Isn't it strange? Isn't it strange that keeps are claimed beside you are falsely saying that keeps are dead? We know that keeps need improvements and are on it. But Agramon was not really better as what we have now => Elite FG's roaming around getting others to quit. Forum was full of whining about that. Theres no point to beg for NF. I'm not sure how long you play on Uthgard and know the history of complains about this and that.

I propose before you demand NF wait for changes to happen as there wasn't many since introduction of OF.

Blue wrote:I did not search for more threads, these were among the first hits. There are way more threads about NF problems in this forum. Just search for yourself. And its a fact that we have more players in RvR than we did in NF. And tbh whining in NF was a lot stronger than what we have now, it just subsided a bit when we introduced XP spots in Agramon and made instant teleports available.

Btw yesterday I logged in and immediately saw a small keep fight. Isn't it strange? Isn't it strange that keeps are claimed beside you are falsely saying that keeps are dead? We know that keeps need improvements and are on it. But Agramon was not really better as what we have now => Elite FG's roaming around getting others to quit. Forum was full of whining about that. Theres no point to beg for NF. I'm not sure how long you play on Uthgard and know the history of complains about this and that.

I propose before you demand NF wait for changes to happen as there wasn't many since introduction of OF.

+1

and btw this thread wasn't about switching rvr zones from OF to NF, but a call to the players to bring action to other zones in OF

Please re-instate the New Frontiers maps, and abandon any work towards bringing back archaic game functions

exactly this is the only way to more flexible rvr and much more fun.

To my point of view. The only problem is waiting for the Gothi. I find that it breaks the rhythm of the game I was tired of waiting for Gothi then we expect the player who missed the Goths and then wait for the Buff. That would be so much more addictive with an instant.

Blue wrote:I did not search for more threads, these were among the first hits. There are way more threads about NF problems in this forum. Just search for yourself. And its a fact that we have more players in RvR than we did in NF. And tbh whining in NF was a lot stronger than what we have now, it just subsided a bit when we introduced XP spots in Agramon and made instant teleports available.

Btw yesterday I logged in and immediately saw a small keep fight. Isn't it strange? Isn't it strange that keeps are claimed beside you are falsely saying that keeps are dead? We know that keeps need improvements and are on it. But Agramon was not really better as what we have now => Elite FG's roaming around getting others to quit. Forum was full of whining about that. Theres no point to beg for NF. I'm not sure how long you play on Uthgard and know the history of complains about this and that.

I propose before you demand NF wait for changes to happen as there wasn't many since introduction of OF.

Amazing, you see keep fights and large numbers in rvr every time you log in. I on the other hand play every day and often spend a full hour in emain for 0-2 fights before logging out from boredom. Maybe I should also log on once every 6 months for a single fight and claim there's "lots of action omg I just logged on and saw a fight" ? Get real.

Disdain wrote: Amazing, you see keep fights and large numbers in rvr every time you log in. I on the other hand play every day and often spend a full hour in emain for 0-2 fights before logging out from boredom. Maybe I should also log on once every 6 months for a single fight and claim there's "lots of action omg I just logged on and saw a fight" ? Get real.

and exactly this is the problem, i don't wanna sound to harsh here, but judging by what has been done and what is stated, or taken in consideration or not taken into consideration, the major problem of uthgard is, that people who are very inactive players make the decisions here and think they are right just because in their head it feels like an obvious improvement... has been like that since i play here... not like all decision been made were bad ones.. but jeah i as a very active soloer, pvm'r, 8v8er, zerger and small-grouper* over the years definately say that this is the major problem of this server.

OF was designed for a higher server population, at least 1200 to 2000 not 750 at peak. NF made it possible to have the best of both worlds for servers who had a higher player base and PVP server for a lower population.

No matter what staff can say, there is not that much population for balanced OF. Now if we have 1200+ daily I think OF would work fine.

Low population in OF = less action = boredom = less players = less donations.

Staff should stop considering the top 2% of elite guilds/staff/friends and think about the server as a whole and the everyday and casual player.

Tho OF was voted on I find it hard for a 60/40 vote. Kind of a to clean vote imo. But I could be wrong. Maybe the player base didn't know what it was really asking for.

I disagree, NF was not designed for low population. NF was only playable after several tweaks and changes. Most notable direct ports to Agramon. We could have taken a BG instead and it comes to the same point.

OF Emain AMG works especially good in low population times when in NF you would never find your enemy. I'm not sure how many of you really played NF on Uthgard from the beginning.

blue i really respect as a developer and admin, and im thankful for all the work you have done for the server, for us, for yourself over all those years. Really im not buttlicking here i mean that.

Still please let me give you that one advice, leave the subject of RvR to other people

Blue wrote:OF Emain AMG works especially good in low population times when in NF you would never find your enemy. I'm not sure how many of you really played NF on Uthgard from the beginning.

I did, and it was a lot better than OF is. OF emain amg sucks, you're only looking to get your fight destroyed by lots of stealthers there. Not the kind of enemy I'm looking for rather have a fair fight. I'm not sure if you ever played.

I remember there was a "Player Council" in the past where active players of the realms can discuss (intern) about situations ingame who actually play a lot.
Unfortunately it's a dream that the staff and GMs can both support the server and can actively participate with their player chars.

Razzer wrote:I remember there was a "Player Council" in the past where active players of the realms can discuss (intern) about situations ingame who actually play a lot.
Unfortunately it's a dream that the staff and GMs can both support the server and can actively participate with their player chars.

So I am living the dream ?