Zarkor wrote:

Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me...

Oh that's convenient. Do you think everyone here who is advocating BALANCE is playing hybrids? No, but we do have common sense and we know what's going to happen to those players who do play hybrids.

In fact, I urge you to level up a hybrid class (since it's so easy to reroll, right?) and have fun in end RvR any way you like. Maybe then, when it personally affects you, it might become an issue for you. But for now, sure, you're probably immune to imbalance for some magic reason.

Or is it simply because you don't even play in end RvR?

And sure I don't play end rvr, that's why I was #1 on uth several times in the last week..

Breeze wrote:

Zarkor wrote:

Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me...

Oh that's convenient. Do you think everyone here who is advocating BALANCE is playing hybrids? No, but we do have common sense and we know what's going to happen to those players who do play hybrids.

In fact, I urge you to level up a hybrid class (since it's so easy to reroll, right?) and have fun in end RvR any way you like. Maybe then, when it personally affects you, it might become an issue for you. But for now, sure, you're probably immune to imbalance for some magic reason.

Or is it simply because you don't even play in end RvR?

I played a VW with Old ra's and was the first SI char on excalibur if not all of europe to hit rr8.. I know how it is without determ..

Cool, you can hang with Ramboz now, he was INF NUMBAH ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD for a while.

Artefact wrote:

Trishin wrote:Old RAs and patch 1.69

Basically we are almost finished with this, we are just missing a few RAs to be coded and this should be ready to be rolled out to you. For now they come out unaltered. However please report things that are not working either due to bugs or simply because they do not work in our setting. However do not expect that we will take all complaints into consideration and that we will want the system to run for a bit to see what impact it has on RvR before we will even consider altering it.

Here, you can pray that the staff might opere some custom change after 1 or 2 mounth under Old RA settings.
But as I say, you can only pray at the moment.

This is what I don't get. I hate to put words in Trishin's mouth, but the staff are admitting that there will be imbalances and inconsistencies with OF RAs and they haven't even finished them yet.

I'm disappointed that so much time and energy has been put into implementing this primitive OF change (including the awful OF zones with their boring, buggy keeps) and in the end the staff will have to spend years implementing custom changes to fix this "better" system.

NF RAs - Not appropriate for Uthgard because they were balanced for ToA MLs/over-caps. Even though we have spent years working on this system we would rather delete all this work than implement custom changes to fix it.

OF RAs - Appropriate for Uthgard because they were "balanced" at a time before SC/alchemy, when all the players were noobs ("what's near-sight?"), and not even Mythic understood how their game worked. Even though we are against custom changes, we plan on implementing custom changes.

It doesn't make sense.

Breeze wrote:

Zarkor wrote:

Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me...

Oh that's convenient. Do you think everyone here who is advocating BALANCE is playing hybrids? No, but we do have common sense and we know what's going to happen to those players who do play hybrids.

In fact, I urge you to level up a hybrid class (since it's so easy to reroll, right?) and have fun in end RvR any way you like. Maybe then, when it personally affects you, it might become an issue for you. But for now, sure, you're probably immune to imbalance for some magic reason.

Or is it simply because you don't even play in end RvR?

I played a VW with Old ra's and was the first SI char on excalibur if not all of europe to hit rr8.. I know how it is without determ..

You're telling me that a class that none of the good guilds on excal took in their grps beat all those Jack Herer and other fotm grp savages in RR? Unless you were a zergling in which case it matters more or less nothing what you did.

"You're telling me that a class that none of the good guilds on excal took in their grps beat all those Jack Herer and other fotm grp savages in RR? Unless you were a zergling in which case it matters more or less nothing what you did."

That's exactly right I beat all the fotm savages, and I was the Llaw Arian, so no zerging.. but again this is not the point of this thread, it was just my response to him telling me to roll a hybrid and feel it on my own skin, I already have..


Again, I'm not saying some of these custom changes wouldn't be justified.. but once they start doing custom stuff like that it will be the "fix" for everything and people will keep whining for every little change that fits their needs..
Rather keep NF RA's instead of getting OF RA's with lots of custom changes imo.. because Determ isnt the only problem with old ra's..

bawww wrote:Cool, you can hang with Ramboz now, he was INF NUMBAH ONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD for a while.

You do realize you make a fool of yourself everytime you try to insult people instead of making constructive comments right?
The joke is on you my friend..
I'm just responding to people trying to flame me, and when I have answers they don't like seeing they resort to insults instead..
Pathetic..

I'm sorry I don't have a constructive response to "REAVERS WILL BE STRONGER THAN THEY ARE NOW IF YOU GIVE THEM NF DETERMINATION IN OF SETTING BECAUSE PURGE IS ON A LONGER DURATION".

How can they be stronger than they are now if they lose everything except determination... 2-1=3 ?

Nice points Mazh.

Please keep this civil as it was started.

Old RA's will be fine and 3 people who post like 90% of all anti Old RA posts will not chance anything - hopefully.

Tbh there's 3 people posting pro-old ras and only one of them rvrs actively, others just want them for nostalgic reasons. This topic (like many others before it) is opened in concern about classes that will be rendered useless for group-based rvr with the old system, not as a vote about who likes what best. If you have a thought out opinion why old ras will be fine feel free to share it, if not take your nostalgia to the general topics forum.

KaiserReto wrote:Old RA's will be fine and 3 people who post like 90% of all anti Old RA posts will not chance anything - hopefully.

And please ignore obvious ignorant misspelled flamebaits like this one.

Lets see where this leads, at least the civil part of it.

Breeze wrote:"You're telling me that a class that none of the good guilds on excal took in their grps beat all those Jack Herer and other fotm grp savages in RR? Unless you were a zergling in which case it matters more or less nothing what you did."

That's exactly right I beat all the fotm savages, and I was the Llaw Arian, so no zerging.. but again this is not the point of this thread, it was just my response to him telling me to roll a hybrid and feel it on my own skin, I already have..

That might have worked back in 2002-2003 in a high RR group, sure. However this isn't a good reference to our current situation in general. Any class/RR will easily thrive if backed up by a bunch of skilled, decent RR players. However balance affects everyone, not just them. Loads of regular hybrid players do not have any set group to carry them to high RR, they aren't sure of which group to join when they log on. Without det, they are sure again, but in a negative way, they simply won't get any groups.

Balance is a about making as much playstyles and classes viable to everyone, not just the happy few.

It would be a lot less painful on hybrids if the entire frontier was populated. But if roaming 8 man is the main theme, no det is a non starter for a tank.

I am actually more concerned about supporters getting Mastery of Blocking, without defense penetration working. Basically adds another 9% (mob3) to the ungodly high block rate for the high RR supporters if they want it.

Force wrote:It would be a lot less painful on hybrids if the entire frontier was populated. But if roaming 8 man is the main theme, no det is a non starter for a tank.

I am actually more concerned about supporters getting Mastery of Blocking, without defense penetration working. Basically adds another 9% (mob3) to the ungodly high block rate for the high RR supporters if they want it.

Well, we did some damage test on pendragon few days ago, (tank against healer) and block rate was insanely high too, i had remove my shiled to test with no stupid block chance too.