My opinion in last year stealthers community is filled with adders and gangers. I remember when we were 10-15 active stealthers in this server and all played without add and gang others.
Where are Runis, Nixian, Syuveil, Tristaluna, Muerte, Hanma, Elrill, Skorpyon...? All went over last year or started play other chars and their stealthers sometimes.

Stealth rvr sux a lot now, is only bassed on gang, add and leech.

Tristaluna play mostly in df, and emain too. Dunno if he play in group or solo in emain.

About OF/NF thread:
Keep fights with OF keeps are really boring, defending system of walls is not very good. And since the only used siege weapon is ram that is not movable, sieging is really poor. I can remember nice siege fights in NF, when enemies were using catapults for main keep, rams for towers around to have a save place for rams on the roof. And defenders used also boiling oil and other things. I would say we lost lot of possibilities just for sieging when the map has been changed. I know that GMs wanted to have bigger map to avoid overfilled agramon, but i think its still the same. Yes we have another two zones, but they are useless. Most of fights are between MMG and AMG, sometimes breifine, but thats all. Ofcourse its live-like - old times yeah, but fun less. Agramon system was made pretty better. Since all realms had two mile gates, was harder to camp both of them so xpers/soloers could always use the other one, or just xp behind the wall. But there were also milegate towers, which could open these gates and allow other realms to kill campers. The only problem was that these towers were extremly hard to claim. In my opinion tower level 1 should be claimable even in duo and it shouldnt take half an hour, but ten minutes. This would give fun for people which want to run small groups. But back to the topic.
Why stealthers ganking?
Its simply. If you wanna play stealther and be successfull you need to charge all buffs you can. A shadowblade needs at least str,s/c,d/q,haste and spec af. Thats 5 buffs for 10 minutes (if you dont get killed). Every charge cost 10golds if you want to recharge, but there are no items with 40 charges, if you want to be good you have to use recharge stones which are so damn expensive and people who dont play in full groups or dont gank cannot even use these stones. In agramon major recharge stone costed like 70 bps, now its like 280. There is one reason why to gank.
Another reason is the 8 minutes timer for porting. This would work only if you could instant port to claimed keeps. This would give people a reason to siege keeps, so they wouldnt have to wait. But like this it just make people sad. Nobody wants to waste his time. So why to run solo and risk another 8 minutes waiting ? Because its old-times like? No! Better go in ganks and survive as long as possible. Better have fights with adding than wasting time at porters.
Both of these things are a reason why there are no small-man groups or solos running anymore.

My reply seems like QQing, but the fact is without full group, you cannot go to rvr in average playing hours. I know GMs spent lot of time implementing the OF, but there are two zones all the time without use. To be honest there should be something like GvG zone. Many players leaving server, just because of adding/zerging all the time. They prefer to join Eden, where they can have fights without adding, some events during year (which arent organized by players ) and dont have to waste their time with waiting for a NPC porter.

This is my point of view. Probably iam wrong, but i play here long time and i think Uthgard was better with custom changes.

With regards


Finfula

^agree 100%

Finfula wrote: but i play here long time and i think Uthgard was better with custom changes.

Yup. I regret voting OF.

It seems that after the forum crash most of the people who came back are pro NF.

Must be hard for people to remember the info for all those extra accounts made for the OF poll. ^^

Theres only DF left thats a little bit funny for a stealher so i have retired my Ranger and NS there. Havtn been in emain in ages and have no plans to return, will see what happens after the RA change if it ever will come.

People who were pro OF are realizing that it was a mistake.

Next step is GM?

Like a lot of players, i never wanted OF and a lot of posts here are a good resume of advantages/disadvantages of both maps.

Is it really so hard to understand that OF brings less fun? And is it really impossible to ask for a coming back of NF? I would love (like so much people) to run again in NF, to have keep siege there, to be able to small group at any hours, etc...

Trishin wrote:Some of the issues being addressed here is something we have discussed internally.

That is all I can say at the moment.

Give us a chance to fix the issues before yelling for map changes.

That is all I ask for at this moment.

Trishin wrote:Give us a chance to fix the issues before yelling for map changes.

That is all I ask for at this moment.

Just like implementing old frontiers in the first place, it'll create a short term hype that will seem like an improvement but will soon fade away.

Also why is it so hard to say what exactly you're working on ? Maybe if people knew there wouldn't be a new "of sucks" thread every week. If you're talking about old ras, 1.69 patch limit and forcing rr2 people into the frontiers then I'm sorry but that will only make everything worse.

Disdain wrote:

Trishin wrote:Give us a chance to fix the issues before yelling for map changes.

That is all I ask for at this moment.

Just like implementing old frontiers in the first place, it'll create a short term hype that will seem like an improvement but will soon fade away.

Also why is it so hard to say what exactly you're working on ? Maybe if people knew there wouldn't be a new "of sucks" thread every week. If you're talking about old ras and 1.69 patch limit, then I'm sorry to burst your bubble but that will only make everything worse.

The reason we are not giving away all the information is because we don't want to disappoint people if an idea fall through and doesn't get implemented.

But no, the solution I am talking about is not only old RAs and patch 1.69, it is a revamp of the entire rvr experience.
We are working on multiple changes, some of which are also described in this news thread, which has been forgotten by the community apparently.

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 47&t=18445

please note however that the changes described here are not the only changes we are working on.

Trishin wrote:please note however that the changes described here are not the only changes we are working on.

I don't know what changes you can think of to make the imbalance infested old ras and senseless patch limit seem positive.

Disdain wrote:

Trishin wrote:please note however that the changes described here are not the only changes we are working on.

I don't know what changes you can think of to make the imbalance infested old ras and senseless patch limit seem positive.

as far as I know most of the issues described in this post are about the maps and not about old RAs and patch limit stay on topic

The whole point of a discussion is to examine a subject by argument, primarily to explore solutions. I'm not going off topic, I'm having a discussion about endgame rvr.

Vashna wrote:People who were pro OF are realizing that it was a mistake.

Next step is GM?

Like a lot of players, i never wanted OF and a lot of posts here are a good resume of advantages/disadvantages of both maps.

Is it really so hard to understand that OF brings less fun? And is it really impossible to ask for a coming back of NF? I would love (like so much people) to run again in NF, to have keep siege there, to be able to small group at any hours, etc...

Just like I expected nobody is willing to even give OF a second chance because the first implementation failed horribly. NF wasn't all sunshine and rainbows either. There were tons of complaints and the staff gave it way more than just one chance. Loads of adaptations and customisations were done only to attempt to make it work properly. All of them had their flaws and none of them was as awesome as people are describing NF now.

Don't get me wrong though, OF as it sucks now is definately worse than any NF version we ever had. I'll never disagree on that. I'm just not fond of bashing OF when it failed mainly due to a poor implementation. I'm not saying the incoming changes will fix everything, but I am saying that with those changes we can finally evaluate OF properly, since it's been given a serious chance. If it ends up still being horrible I will acknowledge that fact and look for further solutions, possibly in NF. But before the real evaluation I'm staying neutral about OF, besides of course that it sucks as it is now.