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Postby Elayia » Jul 13, 2010 19:10

Llithium wrote:you got a bit more of a dmgdealer than a full hybrid player. ;)


Dirty work is for theurgists comon! :)

When kiting ,no time to do much rupting myself, so mainly damage yep.

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Postby Feelit » Jul 13, 2010 19:14

Nice video , although i dont really like the caby PoV ,..its quite boring mostly

+ for the music
+ for showing the fight you ve lost

i was very sad i didnt fraps it ;P
without rastah motivating us to keep pushing i was about to give up when you sent your simulcarum on me
was a tough fight !

and HAHAHA @ methz sit strikes ^^


i lol'ed a bit about the chat xD

qntal: "would ve won with 2 mercs"
mhh you ve had 2 mercs Oo

latte:" haha f*** you druids"
yeah , druids dont got higher shear range and not the lower castspeed ;P
althou 250 more range is not much ,... to have it or not gives 0,5-1sec

nice to see a caby doing more than just grey NS rupting, while the decision about win or lose isnt done by then

anyway ,...
2x theurg on 2k range petspamm rupt
caby RR5 jugger3 ; grey ns spamm
2clerics ruptin/shearing on 1750 range
sorc rupting on higher range than most hibs can
mhhhh
tanks dont even have to style ,. you can just rupt us to death ;P

sooo : easymode?
cant wait to get buffshears balanced/removed (with old RAs) ,.. theurg and cabby RR5 jugger is okay ,.. but adding the shears while not have them on mid/hib ,.. is just ,.. meh ...

what i wanna say is : a perfectly played alb hybrid grp will beat any perfectly played hib grp almost every time.

some albs i talked to showed up a good solution to me : reroll alb
which i ofc wont , lol xD

i couldnt believe you play without ts/vent,..
absolutly unthinkable on hib side ;P

btw this fight was the first and only time i (my grp) killed KT GG afaik,.. but we died like 100 times to them
but as you said ,... it was becasue ronia was adding ,.. which just proves you must be the best players on uthgard atm ,.. or there is some kind of unbalance xD

But of course ,... well played ! (no sarcasm)


but tbh ,.. i really wonder how you can have fun rolling low RR grps with such setups ,. in ,.. 10-30sec xD

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Postby Feelit » Jul 13, 2010 19:18

vomi wrote:Lol again with this Guild gank bullshit. How many times shall we repeat the same stuff:

- That grp had 5/8 KT members
- That grp had people playing chars different that their mains (Juvez wasn't on Juvez and Latte wasn't on Latte I think)
- That grp used no vocal chat.


THIS!

proves my claims ,...

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Postby Feelit » Jul 13, 2010 19:20

Maidrion wrote:Anyway good play, saw a few mistakes......


which is the only reason why we won that one inc ;P

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Postby Feelit » Jul 13, 2010 19:37

bawww wrote:And if anyone posts a theurg PoV he better be killing whole groups 1v8 because The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk.


it is dude ,.. on the first inc you see akejode moccing vs a shangri la pug
roflmao ,..
imo moc isnt anything you use preventive in a high RR grp vs lower RR random pugs ,.. but sure ,.. i can understand it somehow ,..

if you wanna go easymode ,.. go the full easymode,.. xD

as a zerker you gotta watch you dont get overextended,..
which means you need to pan the camera ,.. on a theurg you could even keyboard turn without panning at all

push 400 units ,.. pet pet pet pet ,. push 400 units ,. pet pet pet pet ,. from a absolutly safe position ,..
wow ... that must be very very hard to do ;P
im pretty sure i can do this with my right hand on my mouse ,.. and my left hand ... well ... lets say ,... somewhere else xD
(with a few config changes before)

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Postby Elayia » Jul 13, 2010 19:39

I agree that your setup isn't the best, and hybrid alb groups clearly have an advantge on you.
I think about it a lot and say to myself, man it must be hard to play hib side... congratz to you guys, and you had some really ennoying setups anyway with animist for exemple (I don't think vw is the way to go though). The thing is that groups are maybe starting to know you very well and see how to handle caster setup now)

You may be right about the fight in which we die, comes from the fact that first I played badly at inc, add (did she really add, didn't see), and probably some bad kiting :p
But I think the same applies for your losses, each of them can be linked to some mistake of yours, and I for sure don't think you should give up so quickly


A fast fight doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable, feels enpowering:) winning isn't boring that fast (ask hib groups farming alb pugs to get to 300+K lLRP...).
We sure don't only have days and sessions like last sunday's :)

Anyway i'm sorry to have filmed that day since you guys only won one fight out of many, but we still do enjoy fighting against you and hope you will get your sh it back together soon:)



And theurgist is not all about pushing, you TC kite a lot so you are directly facing theur power (range), but try playing theur against a mid tank group, it isn't easy at all

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Postby Finalement » Jul 13, 2010 20:08

Nice vid. I liked it, but plz put it back on! Those flamers do nothing else but flame in their whole live, let them do what every they want to.

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Postby Panchos » Jul 13, 2010 20:23

any hib setup on this server sucks atm, just play the realm and you can instantly tell that alb hybrid grp and mid tank grps have a huuuuge advantage if played with the same skill imho.

/waiting for some dupes to try to tell me otherwise
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Postby Elayia » Jul 13, 2010 20:26

For me all hybrid setups are very powerfull, and we don't see that many hib hybrid group (2 casters that is, not just a lonely eld).

Mid hybrid setup are very annoying too... gecko/pesti group is hard (rank too but still)

I believe in hib hybrid groups!

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Postby bawww » Jul 13, 2010 20:41

Feelit wrote:
bawww wrote:And if anyone posts a theurg PoV he better be killing whole groups 1v8 because The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk.


it is dude ,.. on the first inc you see akejode moccing vs a shangri la pug
roflmao ,..
imo moc isnt anything you use preventive in a high RR grp vs lower RR random pugs ,.. but sure ,.. i can understand it somehow ,..

if you wanna go easymode ,.. go the full easymode,.. xD

as a zerker you gotta watch you dont get overextended,..
which means you need to pan the camera ,.. on a theurg you could even keyboard turn without panning at all

push 400 units ,.. pet pet pet pet ,. push 400 units ,. pet pet pet pet ,. from a absolutly safe position ,..
wow ... that must be very very hard to do ;P
im pretty sure i can do this with my right hand on my mouse ,.. and my left hand ... well ... lets say ,... somewhere else xD
(with a few config changes before)

You have to pan and be careful not to overextend with a zerker, OH REALLY SHERLOCK? Doing those two things requires common sense and mastery over daoc basics, not my fault zerkers on this server don't have any of those two. Go ahead, try playing a theurg with one hand and keyboard turning. Tell me how you did against 2 bad overextending zerks (any zerker on the server lol) who will stick you and spam doublefrost. I will say, however, that theurgist is probably the easiest caster to play when you take into account the utility compared to things you have to do in the fight. Enchanter is easier but ench doesn't have the utility of a theurgist.

Ok, let's talk about your whining point which is "hib hybrid group will always lose to alb hybrid group wah wah". Ofcourse it will because hibs don't understand that you don't push with a hib hybrid group you kite clear pets and kill overextenders, you can't play like alb hybrid(standard) groups do because YOU DON'T HAVE THEURGISTS. But some blademasters just like charging on inc, sticking something, and than wonder how his casters died in 2 seconds against that 3merc alb group.
Apoc315 wrote:The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk

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Postby Elayia » Jul 13, 2010 20:47

easy tiger, you may have some point, mind the tone dude!

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Postby Panchos » Jul 13, 2010 23:12

bawww wrote:
Feelit wrote:
bawww wrote:And if anyone posts a theurg PoV he better be killing whole groups 1v8 because The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk.


it is dude ,.. on the first inc you see akejode moccing vs a shangri la pug
roflmao ,..
imo moc isnt anything you use preventive in a high RR grp vs lower RR random pugs ,.. but sure ,.. i can understand it somehow ,..

if you wanna go easymode ,.. go the full easymode,.. xD

as a zerker you gotta watch you dont get overextended,..
which means you need to pan the camera ,.. on a theurg you could even keyboard turn without panning at all

push 400 units ,.. pet pet pet pet ,. push 400 units ,. pet pet pet pet ,. from a absolutly safe position ,..
wow ... that must be very very hard to do ;P
im pretty sure i can do this with my right hand on my mouse ,.. and my left hand ... well ... lets say ,... somewhere else xD
(with a few config changes before)

You have to pan and be careful not to overextend with a zerker, OH REALLY SHERLOCK? Doing those two things requires common sense and mastery over daoc basics, not my fault zerkers on this server don't have any of those two. Go ahead, try playing a theurg with one hand and keyboard turning. Tell me how you did against 2 bad overextending zerks (any zerker on the server lol) who will stick you and spam doublefrost. I will say, however, that theurgist is probably the easiest caster to play when you take into account the utility compared to things you have to do in the fight. Enchanter is easier but ench doesn't have the utility of a theurgist.

Ok, let's talk about your whining point which is "hib hybrid group will always lose to alb hybrid group wah wah". Ofcourse it will because hibs don't understand that you don't push with a hib hybrid group you kite clear pets and kill overextenders, you can't play like alb hybrid(standard) groups do because YOU DON'T HAVE THEURGISTS. But some blademasters just like charging on inc, sticking something, and than wonder how his casters died in 2 seconds against that 3merc alb group.


so you think a hib hybrid grp that kites and sticks their tanks on albs tanks puts them at equal chances of winning? LOL
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Postby Jarysa » Jul 14, 2010 00:01

I´d call kiting albs as hibs insane on any other server setup.
Might work on Uthgard due to the NS advantage the hibs should have.

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Postby Panchos » Jul 14, 2010 00:37

Jarysa wrote:I´d call kiting albs as hibs insane on any other server setup.
Might work on Uthgard due to the NS advantage the hibs should have.


it's not really an advantage here because everyone here saves their purge for nearsight

Only way you can really kite an alb hybrid grp is to have a nature druid or animist. A hib hybrid group that didnt push the theurg and went for their tanks (like someone mentioned above) would just get pushed on incredibly easily unless the nature druid or animist beat all their support to rooting.
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Postby bawww » Jul 14, 2010 00:46

Panchos wrote:so you think a hib hybrid grp that kites and sticks their tanks on albs tanks puts them at equal chances of winning? LOL


Aaaand theres the charging bm. Where did I say equal? NHF but did you ever wonder why when you are on MA duty casters die in the back because you autostick theurg and push insanely, while when rhasta is MA he helps dropping a tank or two before pushing which results in win? Hib IS the weakest realm atm, but that doesn't give anyone a free pass for bad play.


@Jarysa true, but this isn't "modern" or classic daoc, this is Uthgard daoc where some things don't work as they should, or in other cases they don't work at all.
Apoc315 wrote:The Theurge play is way more easy than a zerk

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