yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

Astealoth wrote:no. ask for something that makes sense like remove TOA charges.

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hahahahaha, right.

remove buffpots = NO
limit = NO

maybe just remove base buff potions!
this would mean then it wouldnt be so much of a pain for ppl to buff them ... and it wouldnt have as much of a detrimental effect on the uthgard economy! Everyone who rvr's semi regularly should be able to afford the 700g (?) it costs to buy a s,c and haste barrell ... you can farm d/q items for free e.g pooka lord in hib!

Ragabbash wrote:

yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

I love it when ppl complain about selfbuffs but actually poisons is the superior line (118 str/con debuff vs low base str buff. On the other hand mids/hibs have a easy chance to get 10 dps damadd buffs and hibs/ranger dont).

More ranger qq plz. The spec af and d/q are still chargeable after this change. So wow, what else can a ranger buff himself ?

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

I love it when ppl complain about selfbuffs but actually poisons is the superior line (118 str/con debuff vs low base str buff. On the other hand mids/hibs have a easy chance to get 10 dps damadd buffs and hibs/ranger dont).

More ranger qq plz. The spec af and d/q are still chargeable after this change. So wow, what else can a ranger buff himself ?

Poisons only can be used by assasins, what hapend whit merc, reaver, arsman, etc? or necesay i have to play 1 assasin?

Ragabbash wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

I love it when ppl complain about selfbuffs but actually poisons is the superior line (118 str/con debuff vs low base str buff. On the other hand mids/hibs have a easy chance to get 10 dps damadd buffs and hibs/ranger dont).

More ranger qq plz. The spec af and d/q are still chargeable after this change. So wow, what else can a ranger buff himself ?

Poisons only can be used by assasins, what hapend whit merc, reaver, arsman, etc? or necesay i have to play 1 assasin?

You never heared about that some albs abuse poisons with their non assassins?:D

Reaver makes his damage by procs without purge or evadeluck you are dead vs a reaver most of the time.

Merc and Armsman are on the fulltank table and they will make the same or more damage unbuffed (of course without pd). Rasta did hit me unbuffed with the lvl50 style for 179 mainhand vs pd5 once and he does use slash.

Ranger got his buffs to compete with assassins (poisons+higher growth rate) or tanks (fulltank table or other gimmicks).

So soulrending line should be fixed (I heared that abs debuff still not working?) and nobody cant complain about that ranger has his own specific line = pathfinding.

Spec af (lower value) and damdd (higher value) can be charged or charged/buffed.

Now with pots the only unique buff of my line would be the speedshout (with hunter) and oh wait, thats it. Friar is able to buff str, dex, con, d/q and spec af. He also has the access to temp haste and resist buffs. Of course he is supporter, but he is primarily played as a tank or solo char.

PS: Next thing is that someone complains that minstrel has no chance to get base buffs then, but actually minstrels make the main damage with the dd shouts. Ranger is still a pure melee damage char and has no access to any dots or dds.

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

I love it when ppl complain about selfbuffs but actually poisons is the superior line (118 str/con debuff vs low base str buff. On the other hand mids/hibs have a easy chance to get 10 dps damadd buffs and hibs/ranger dont).

More ranger qq plz. The spec af and d/q are still chargeable after this change. So wow, what else can a ranger buff himself ?

Poisons only can be used by assasins, what hapend whit merc, reaver, arsman, etc? or necesay i have to play 1 assasin?

You never heared about that some albs abuse poisons with their non assassins?:D

Reaver makes his damage by procs without purge or evadeluck you are dead vs a reaver most of the time.

Merc and Armsman are on the fulltank table and they will make the same or more damage unbuffed (of course without pd). Rasta did hit me unbuffed with the lvl50 style for 179 mainhand vs pd5 once and he does use slash.

Ranger got his buffs to compete with assassins (poisons+higher growth rate) or tanks (fulltank table or other gimmicks).

So soulrending line should be fixed (I heared that abs debuff still not working?) and nobody cant complain about that ranger has his own specific line = pathfinding.

Spec af (lower value) and damdd (higher value) can be charged or charged/buffed.

Now with pots the only unique buff of my line would be the speedshout (with hunter) and oh wait, thats it. Friar is able to buff str, dex, con, d/q and spec af. He also has the access to temp haste and resist buffs. Of course he is supporter, but he is primarily played as a tank or solo char.

PS: Next thing is that someone complains that minstrel has no chance to get base buffs then, but actually minstrels make the main damage with the dd shouts. Ranger is still a pure melee damage char and has no access to any dots or dds.

Dammit where is my Scout/hunter DD and dot line? i cant find it!!! >< omg

I love the ignorence of some players on this server, that just dont understand how this game works. Actualy thinking a buffline is all bonus, and isnt actualy needed for that class, while they play a class that doesnt gain self buffs, but prob has a shield spec, poisons, spell line, higher damage/hp table, higher defenses, higher armor / af , and so on.

Every class gains special skills by way of spec and some for free per level for being that class. Self buffs, wether they spec for it or are base ones they get at diff levels, they are part of there class and without them or devalueing them, is like removing or devalueing other classes unique skills.

Learn a little about the game, before trying to make an arguement, because i will disprove your little comments that are based on nothing.

If you complain , becuase a self buffer is owning you, even when you have pot/charge buffs, and think limiting those buffs you can get would just make things impossible, then your not looking at the whole picture. Even if you got 2 charge buffs and 2 pot buffs, that self buffer currently has the same, for examle the ranger could have str/con, con, str, dex, haste. Now if you get limited by my suggestion, to 1 charge 1 pot, the ranger and all other self buffers also do. How often do you actualy think your running into self buffers in rvr, who isnt also running with charge/pot buffs.

Astealoth wrote:no. ask for something that makes sense like remove TOA charges.

eclipsed next thread suggestion:
[Poll] Remove The Ability To Wear Armor! Yes/No (No Discussions!)

Your ability to wear armor, is part of your class and there isnt anything on the server that is disrupting that. Maybe if there was something custom that allowed a leather class to wear RF armor or better, then yes that would have to be changed, as each class has there own armor type they get for a reason. Those who have lower armor, tend to have ether higher defenses, higher dmg, or some kinda buff line to assist in there defenses.

Your joke makes no sense sorry. Go find a daoc wiki or something and read up on the game, sounds like you need to, alone with a few others

zaszeadora wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

Ronian wrote:

Ragabbash wrote:

yukiz wrote:remove ranger selfbuffs first and then you can freely remove buffpots.

+1 xD

u want remove cause many players r lazy to craft bufs? evereveryone has access to them, who do not use it, is because he no wants

I love it when ppl complain about selfbuffs but actually poisons is the superior line (118 str/con debuff vs low base str buff. On the other hand mids/hibs have a easy chance to get 10 dps damadd buffs and hibs/ranger dont).

More ranger qq plz. The spec af and d/q are still chargeable after this change. So wow, what else can a ranger buff himself ?

Poisons only can be used by assasins, what hapend whit merc, reaver, arsman, etc? or necesay i have to play 1 assasin?

You never heared about that some albs abuse poisons with their non assassins?:D

Reaver makes his damage by procs without purge or evadeluck you are dead vs a reaver most of the time.

Merc and Armsman are on the fulltank table and they will make the same or more damage unbuffed (of course without pd). Rasta did hit me unbuffed with the lvl50 style for 179 mainhand vs pd5 once and he does use slash.

Ranger got his buffs to compete with assassins (poisons+higher growth rate) or tanks (fulltank table or other gimmicks).

So soulrending line should be fixed (I heared that abs debuff still not working?) and nobody cant complain about that ranger has his own specific line = pathfinding.

Spec af (lower value) and damdd (higher value) can be charged or charged/buffed.

Now with pots the only unique buff of my line would be the speedshout (with hunter) and oh wait, thats it. Friar is able to buff str, dex, con, d/q and spec af. He also has the access to temp haste and resist buffs. Of course he is supporter, but he is primarily played as a tank or solo char.

PS: Next thing is that someone complains that minstrel has no chance to get base buffs then, but actually minstrels make the main damage with the dd shouts. Ranger is still a pure melee damage char and has no access to any dots or dds.

Dammit where is my Scout/hunter DD and dot line? i cant find it!!! >< omg

You are comparing apple and pear, because scout has to spec 4 lines and ranger 5. Scout only has to skill shields for melee defense plus offense and bow for ranged damage. On the other hand a scout performs better in a duo than a ranger does (guarding on the inf ftw).

Furthermore, a hunter has a selfbuff line. Of course not the same buffs but a useful pet (if it will be fixed).

If pots/charges were so great, you wouldn´t spec PF. (like everyone did on live)
You spec PF, therefore pots/charges aren´t great.

This is all QQ of the past anyway. With OF RAs all rangers will Y E S just for being perfed all day.

The new stealther QQ will be:

-SBs crying about str/con debuff
-Infs and SBs crying about NS RAs
-Everyone crying about resist tables

Get on the new QQ-Train today and stop whining about stuff that never mattered and now matters even less.

So the stealther QQ can go on and on!

Idiotic

Jarysa wrote:If pots/charges were so great, you wouldn´t spec PF. (like everyone did on live)
You spec PF, therefore pots/charges aren´t great.

I could charge d/q (because it is better than my self buff...), but the rest is better in my specline. Sorry, that my selfbuffs I have to spec for are better than charges.

Next thing is that someone complains about firewizards. QQ why is a wizard able to spec for a 219 dd and my charge only has only 95 value and hits for crap damage!

Yes.

First: Pots make Charges useless.

Second: It is just a "legal" Buffbot Usage.

Third: Remove that "Hey, i log my Assassin and poison your weapons because you deal avg 60 damage more per swing and you kill everything with that, you are cool dude!" problem too.

No.

Comparing pots and charges to buffbots is hilarious. If buffbots were allowed and range limit on buffs removed I would log a sb and a shaman(base buffs, spec buffs and resists) on my pc, a healer(haste and resists) and a runemaster (Damage add and bladeturn) on a laptop and have myself some F U N. And you compare that to pots?


How about this poll:
Return charges to their original LIVELIKE value


A mod can lock this now, thanks.