i personally like OF much better than NF bg setup. It got pretty lonely roaming around at gmt-6 and finding almost nobody in the battlegrounds and in NF. With OF release there has been a major influx of players during when i play and the game has become much more fun to play. Now that there are more people to kill.

maybe more of the complaints come from the infusion of players due to OF release and GOA closing cause old routines and play styles to have to adapt to it.

Blue wrote:

Esme wrote:Just remember NF statements: "Keep RvR sucks, Solo RvR is dead, FG's kill fun in Agramon" Take away the instant Agra Ports and you will get a hell of whines with NF. The new level spots in Agramon were the only solution which got it a bit healthier than before, especially in night times were only 5-10 players were in NF.

Keep rvr was best in NF for one reason, it was easier to defend it. Now if a keep is under siege, you can just know with guild messages and even if you get the information, distance are too big and port system is too slow to react.

Delete OG and HW maps and add some keep message. Change port location to (for exemple) Dun Crauchon for Mid, Dun Scathaig for alb and Dun Aillinne for hib. Put relic keeps in port area for each realm. That gives 4 big maps for rvr with an important central map and no gate camping possible.

It's just a point of view but for me it would improve the rvr. And it actually looks like Agramon so Agramon was not so bad (lot of players enjoyed it more than OF)...

Rizla wrote:smallman/solo activity was near to non-existent.

As opposed to now?

missiing an option like: any setup is ok

is the ppl that make diferences

Blue wrote:Agramon is just a BG.

And OF Emain Macha is not just a BG? Because there is the only place you can rvr.. (and dont say that its the people choice to go there and they can go on the other maps also, because in NF there are also plenty of maps to go to).

If NF would be reimplemented, the only way would be livelike, with all the keeps active, with 2 relic keeps for every realm etc, so that way you can spread the rvr zone on the entire map (port to keeps, defend relics). And of course, those who likes Agramon would go there, just like people go Emain now.

I dont know i liked the idea of trying out OF, but im finding it very boring. I dont see much keep action, as i use to in NF, and most if not all action is in Emain. Why go anywhere else then emain, if you know that is where all the action will be. And even easyer, go to AMG, there almost all action will be. We only use like 15% of OF for RvR, the rest is for xp and running through. And even the relic system isnt working out in my opinon, so far its only the mids and albs who own it and when it does change hands, they have it for a long time. Same goes for who owns DF, which most of the time is mids and albs. OF has a real balance issue with realms, because of the layout of the RVR. And you could say NF was a BG since most of the action was in agramon, but OF is a bg because emain is the only zone with action, most of the time. Unless someone sets something up on the forums.

I personaly would like to just go back to NF, i enjoyed it more. We may have more players these days, but i dont see it effecting the quality of RvR ive been seeing. Unless there is more action to change OF, to less zones or something to solve this emain only action and to get more keep action and so on. If we go with OF, we should stick to the currect expansions, and patch , and RAs , or stick to NF setup.

I never like OF. I was about to quit when they announced NF and I kept playing up to last summer. Alb did have to get by AMG but that wasn't much of a problem because they usually had a larger population and could managed to break out with the Albzerg. Playing Hib sucks big ones in OF, ten minute run out to Emain, through all the stealth camping DL(DC to a lesser extent) then the FG's at the Bolg choke point only to get to AMG and be gibbed by some of the 2/3's of the 100 stealthers camped there then doing it all over again.

I've tried to defend keeps even though I'm not 50 yet but so far Uthgard is reminding me of WAR were people just PvE keeps all day and nobody defends.

Braxis wrote:

Rizla wrote:smallman/solo activity was near to non-existent.

As opposed to now?

it wasn't much better, alltough i agree now it might be even worse.

Hmm^^

-All NF zones ( also live relic system) without Agramon.

-Irish sea, boats, teleports (if the realm got a keep there) and poc are possibilities to reach the other RvR zones.

-working Warmap with live radar system (but only for fights with 8+ more players, bigger fight-> bigger size of the battle symbol)

-new keeps, npc patroll grps, weaponsystem for guards, stronger tower guards

-Uthgards current exp bonus system for main and side rvr zones (nearness to Borderkeeps)

- additional bonus on bp, rp, crafting speed for tower claiming (only working if a guild claims the tower)

-keeps for df, possibility to open DF for 2 or 3 realms, if they have a equal number of keeps
-bridge (is it possible to implement the old type with ladders?) and water fights !

-great exp spots like we had it in only Emain btw Agra times

Shav is right.

Whole of OF is too big at the moment. Whole of NF is too big.

However I do prefer the OF maps. They feel nicer.

Maybe to stop people complaining about milegates and stuff, we could create one big completely flat map with no objects (just floor) with 3 telekeeps placed like a triangle. That would be fun!

DarkRef wrote:Whole of OF is too big at the moment. Whole of NF is too big.

Which cannot be helped. Except maybe in a balanced map (like agramon) where hibs would be playable again.

DarkRef wrote:However I do prefer the OF maps. They feel nicer.

And agra makes me feel nice.

DarkRef wrote:Maybe to stop people complaining about milegates and stuff, we could create one big completely flat map with no objects (just floor) with 3 telekeeps placed like a triangle. That would be fun!

No it would not!

If you wanna have balance, go back to agramon.
Besides, why waste time and resources for fixing OF maps, when we have prefectly good NF maps at our disposal which would fix all the problems we have reminded ourselves of not that the nostalgic rush is over and everything starts tu suck.

Again the wishbattle starts...

Just to make it clear: I (and probably lots of other ppl) will stop playing here if the rvr zone is changed to nf again. I'm totally happy with the setting right now. We just need to get the players out of the bg to the rvr.
I dont even understand why you complain. If your solo or smallgrp go odins, if your fg or zerg go emain. I roamed in a duo in odins yesterday and made lots of rps.
But instead ppl stay in bgs and complain about end rvr...

infi wrote:I roamed in a duo in odins yesterday and made lots of rps.
But instead ppl stay in bgs and complain about end rvr...

i do it every day and is very very rare to find enemys like we did yesterday...

joined Nov 09? man, u got no idea how smallman was in NF times... so why claim to leave with implement NF back?


anyway i would wait 1 or 2 months more, but when there isnt a change in smallman mentality then, there never will be in OF i guess...

Player mentality is what is making OF less enjoyable at the moment...

the current mentality would be the same no matter the zone.

Solo/duo/small man - go to OG
8v8 - go to Hadrians
fg+/zerg/ADDERS - go to Emain

would work fine if suddenly everyone followed that

Neju wrote:Player mentality is what is making OF less enjoyable at the moment...

the current mentality would be the same no matter the zone.

Solo/duo/small man - go to OG
8v8 - go to Hadrians
fg+/zerg/ADDERS - go to Emain

would work fine if suddenly everyone followed that

question is how to get people to do that