that only shows that tzaaaaa knows how to move GT after a running target..nothing spezial..just basic skill of a good bow archer.

and no..he did not opend with a normal shot...thats all volley hits (every arrow of volley counts as a normal shot, means the damage is not reducedof the faster firerate)

and on top of that i know that Tzaaaaa is a full spec archer, with MoS 5 and prob anything to increase archery. Best way to counter that is to hit face and use dd if in range. And you only had speed till first hit, and you used SoS at the last second, which volley shot just went off and killed you. It happenes . All you would have to do is try to intrupt and face in melee since he prob has no melee, but exept a rr5 stun and he will go to restealth , since a full spec archer can not melee for crap.

Where is Elrill to teach your Tzaaaaa a lesson Amadeth? You need to play agressive not RUN AWAY. Run and be a target?

Your scenario could have other outcome with a better strategy.

Get a last attacker qbind so you can be fast. You should have done SoS since first hit to rush at him. A bow ranger should be the last person that you should run of.

Get IP (2 would be ok), because it rules on ministrels. Use hp pots also. I dont see either of those used in that chatlog. I dont see an ablative on you either. You must have enough hp in any way possible so you can cast a lot of dds on those rangers. Get a ranged DD charge (DoT even better) 1500 range so you can rupt him faster than with your DD's.

@Sumosan, that sidestyle is the easiest thing to do, /face or /stick is the worst thing that you can do against it. And get purge2 at least.

Runis wrote:Where is Elrill to teach your Tzaaaaa a lesson Amadeth? You need to play agressive not RUN AWAY. Run and be a target?

That scenario could have been other outcome with a better strategy.

Get a last attacker qbind so you can be fast. You should have done SoS since first hit to rush at him. A bow ranger should be the last person that you should run of.

Get IP (2 would be ok), because it rules on ministrels. Use hp pots also. I dont see either of those used in that chatlog. I dont see an ablative on you either. You must have enough hp in any way possible so you can cast a lot of dds on those rangers. Get a ranged DD charge (DoT even better) 1500 range so you can rupt him faster than with your DD's.

@Sumosan, that sidestyle is the easiest thing to do, /face or /stick is the worst thing that you can do against it. And get purge2 at least.

Runis, I have IP2, i have SoS, however both RAs were down at the time. I also have /face /qbound, however he almost landed his first shot along with volley. Just leaving APK with only str/con potion buff, I would stand no chance meleeing him. This happened in about 5-6 seconds. I could've done nothing. Except for perhaps still being a bit slow on my keyboard for "pro" standards, I know my drill. When he landed his shots I could only hope to escape alive. I don't remember EVER dying to a single enemy so fast.

I have enough trouble with rangers in melee. SoS-ing on this guy with whatever health I had left (well I really had none, but lets say he only dropped me to 50%) would be a suicide.

I think the biggest problem is that volley doesnt trigger camouflage timer at this moment. What can i say? Tzaaaa the king of volley.

Few more RR, new armor set, couple of more charges and chase him down I guess

Off to bed to fight another day.

Amadeth wrote:

Runis wrote:Where is Elrill to teach your Tzaaaaa a lesson Amadeth? You need to play agressive not RUN AWAY. Run and be a target?

That scenario could have been other outcome with a better strategy.

Get a last attacker qbind so you can be fast. You should have done SoS since first hit to rush at him. A bow ranger should be the last person that you should run of.

Get IP (2 would be ok), because it rules on ministrels. Use hp pots also. I dont see either of those used in that chatlog. I dont see an ablative on you either. You must have enough hp in any way possible so you can cast a lot of dds on those rangers. Get a ranged DD charge (DoT even better) 1500 range so you can rupt him faster than with your DD's.

@Sumosan, that sidestyle is the easiest thing to do, /face or /stick is the worst thing that you can do against it. And get purge2 at least.

Runis, I have IP2, i have SoS, however both RAs were down at the time. I also have /face /qbound, however he almost landed his first shot along with volley. Just leaving APK with only str/con potion buff, I would stand no chance meleeing him. This happened in about 5-6 seconds. I could've done nothing. Except for perhaps still being a bit slow on my keyboard for "pro" standards, I know my drill. When he landed his shots I could only hope to escape alive. I don't remember EVER dying to a single enemy so fast.

I have enough trouble with rangers in melee. SoS-ing on this guy with whatever health I had left (well I really had none, but lets say he only dropped me to 50%) would be a suicide.

Tzaaa is an utter gimp in melee. He is a Full Bow/Full Path Lurikeen, and I assume he also has aug dex + dex pot and also Falcon Eye. He is probably hard capped for Dex. Combine that with a 5.4/.7 speed bow and a damage add... lol@scouts. Envious, saracen?

As for what you could do in a situation like this, it's bad luck that you didn't block at least one of those shots (although switching to shield that quick could be hard, I know), or that one didn't miss, or that one of your reactives didn't trigger. Any one of those could have saved you.

There's been a change in the LWRP leaders for Rangers in the past couple of weeks. The melee FOTMs have been traded for high bow professional adders like Saosin, Notchen, and Tzaaa.

I would like to point out that all three of these archers are currently abusing the volley/camouflage bug to escape certain death, and Tzaaa also abused the desperate bowman/volley bug until it was reported. Too bad I didn't have enough evidence to get him banned. When the volley/camo bug gets fixed it will be harder for them.

Runis wrote:Tzaaaa the king of volley.

lol, please...

Seyha wrote:

Amadeth wrote:

Runis wrote:Where is Elrill to teach your Tzaaaaa a lesson Amadeth? You need to play agressive not RUN AWAY. Run and be a target?

That scenario could have been other outcome with a better strategy.

Get a last attacker qbind so you can be fast. You should have done SoS since first hit to rush at him. A bow ranger should be the last person that you should run of.

Get IP (2 would be ok), because it rules on ministrels. Use hp pots also. I dont see either of those used in that chatlog. I dont see an ablative on you either. You must have enough hp in any way possible so you can cast a lot of dds on those rangers. Get a ranged DD charge (DoT even better) 1500 range so you can rupt him faster than with your DD's.

@Sumosan, that sidestyle is the easiest thing to do, /face or /stick is the worst thing that you can do against it. And get purge2 at least.

Runis, I have IP2, i have SoS, however both RAs were down at the time. I also have /face /qbound, however he almost landed his first shot along with volley. Just leaving APK with only str/con potion buff, I would stand no chance meleeing him. This happened in about 5-6 seconds. I could've done nothing. Except for perhaps still being a bit slow on my keyboard for "pro" standards, I know my drill. When he landed his shots I could only hope to escape alive. I don't remember EVER dying to a single enemy so fast.

I have enough trouble with rangers in melee. SoS-ing on this guy with whatever health I had left (well I really had none, but lets say he only dropped me to 50%) would be a suicide.

As for what you could do in a situation like this, it's bad luck that you didn't block at least one of those shots (although switching to shield that quick could be hard, I know)

Not hard at all
It's just one key, but I was not going to face him after losing half of my health. Besides, what do you expect me to block with non-spec shield?
Now I see I did hit SoS to help with running away (must've been a reflex) and still got hit with a volley. God, what area size does that cover??

Bah.

I'll kill him, np.

Musikus wrote:ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

2h does gimp damage on uthgard that's common knowlegde. I often see zerkers/mercs/BMs hit harder with their mainhand than I did with 2h on warrior or hero (hitting as low as 250 damage on neutral armor with high growth styles lol).

Amadeth wrote:Not hard at all
It's just one key, but I was not going to face him after losing half of my health. Besides, what do you expect me to block with non-spec shield?
Now I see I did hit SoS to help with running away (must've been a reflex) and still got hit with a volley. God, what area size does that cover??

Bah.

Nah, you would own him, trust me. Also, one of the funny things about volley is that all hits count as frontal attacks. So in other words, no matter where the archer is, you always have a chance to block/evade volley shots. So get that shield out!

Toblerone wrote:

Musikus wrote:ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

2h does gimp damage on uthgard that's common knowlegde. I often see zerkers/mercs/BMs hit harder with their mainhand than I did with 2h on warrior or hero (hitting as low as 250 damage on neutral armor with high growth styles lol).

It just seems that ws is not calculated in effective melee damage. Only dmg stat matters. That would explain why classes from different ws tiers get similar damage. I suppose that also 2h weapon bonus is missing. Would be nice if someone checked that on uthgard

Noir I heard you dump your RA's against greys in df. Sup with that?

Yeah I also heard that story. Purging stun from a lvl 20 mercenary ?

Noir wrote:There is so much topic about rangers and nothing change , a rr5 celtic dual specced ranger can kill with no problem any tank ; it's maybe time to stop this joke .
I'm rr10 now , got mopain 4 , strengh 4 ,viper2 and 50 LA and i play with all charges ( s/c ; d/q , haste, af , + str/dext/con pots )
I hit with dragonmight and my sc is perfect , 70 damage on rr4 ranger , he hit me for 120
Now , a lot of ranger will arguing with ubba calculate about weaponskill , PD etc but this is pointless : the fact is ranger IS OVERPOWERED, you said sb was too strong, 1 week later Borealis cold proc was removed..
So now a nerf would be necessary.

1. LA mechanis are working different to CD/DW. You should know that you always swing with both weapons, but you get the LA malus but putting points in that line decreases the drawback.

Additionally, the cd/dw mechanic lacks of the haste effect, if you dont swing with both weapons. Another advantage of the LA mechanic to compensate the malus.

2. Ranger and other archers get less damage because of physical defense. Thats their only good working defense vs dual wielder (ok, sometimes you are lucky and evade some mainhand swings, but most of the time you wont. Especially if you use taunt as your primary anytimer). SBs and other assassins have evade 7 and thats a lot improved to evade

3. Rangers get access to a way superior str base selfbuff and a minor better better d/q if they are going to spec for 40 pathfinding.

What Runis said is correct (mos4 tough4, less mop). The last fight you were 3

And bow is still bugged. Sometimes I hit assassins with bow spec for only 5xx crit and others for 700-8xx).