X-Realm Timer
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Dno why ppl always whine about relic raid, relic raid, whats the problem if ppl log to defend an empty castle. Isn't this games purpose to fight and not pvgate empty keeps. I think that its much more interesting to have an opponent who will try to stop u getting it.
So what even if that person happen to have a char in different real that he for example was exping, and because of that he wont get to play with his friends on other realm. And when there is roaming for example 4 different fgs of albs in an empty emain, i would love that some ppl would change realm so all get some action done. |
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This is the perfect example of the mentality that we need to get rid of. This game should be realm vs realm, not 2 realms vs realm. People should stick with their primary realms and should not x-realm every time there is some fun on the other realm. This causes imbalance. |
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Moreover, if you try to counter that inbalance, you need to log to other realm, tell everyone or some, there are enemies out there and form a grp; as long as you dont want to solo that 3fg albs...
Intentional balancing is spying and in some way arranged fights. |
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Yes but there's also people that change of realm to counterbalance, if they can't change then it also causes imbalance because they will stay in the realm they logged in. With a too long timer you might get an imbalance for the whole day, so each day one realm will own all. Sooo Saturday it is Albion, Monday Midgard, Tuesday Midgard again, Wednesday Hibernia, etc. Sheesh ridiculous. Yeah, it might not happen like that (it could happen though), but did you even think about the negatives consequences before saying 5-6 hours of timer ? None will want to stop playing for 6 hours to change of realm unless they got something else to do like sleeping. If any imbalance happen here's what will happen: The imbalance stay there because none can counter it OR peoples leave because they're bored and we risk losing players permanently. With a long timer, the system becomes rigid, you can't fix problems as easily. |
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More and more I get the feeling that its just: Mimimi, noone likes midgard + It's always the fault of everyone else (QQ we couldn't get a relic) + QQQQQ |
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I wonder if people forgot the Cathal Valley Event.. sigh.. IMO, it's a GREAT thing the X-realm timers are finally coming. We'll be back to RvR again, instead of PvP. |
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And more importantly, instead of PvE, raising twinks on all realms. |
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Even though i have nothing against a good timer (1-2h,more would be over the top imo), i wonder how the Devs will Handle 2 Persons that connect via the same router but play different Realms (me and my Brother do that alot lately)
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On live servers the counter is 15 minutes. |
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Most germans have nearly random IPs. New Connection new IP. You are not able to handle this. Even if you try to make it Account based, players can fake Accounts. (And there are already Accounts played by more than one person) This would only ban dumb people and is ugly for every normal x-realm twink player. A neutral person should close this ... QQ i lost ... find a reason elsewhere ... yeah crossrealming! |
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This was discussed a long time ago in this thread: http://uthgard-server.net/modules.php?n ... highlight= Runis is right. This issue has always been a big problem on this server and on freeshards in general. You can read some of the ideas for handling this situation there. I dont participate much anymore on uthgard as of late but relying solely ON IP tracking for account usage is ill advised, and in my opinion done at your own peril. Smooth has already brought up numerous reasons within this thread for why relying on IP tracking alone is not a good idea for addressing this problem. IPs can be faked or altered too easily. You will have the situation like you had with buff bots; you only catch the stupid people who dont have the sense to hide their bots in another zone/part of the zone or who log both their character and bot in under the same ip). In the case of realm spying and cross realming and also the rvr fight arrangers; The worst offenders in this are the people who can really mess things up for everybody, so even one bad apple is one too many, therefore the more measures you put in place to prevent these people from being able to do anything, the better off everyone else is. My personal preference remains: I'd make it a 24 hour lock out at the least (or up to 1 week or more) from being able to change to another realm beginning from the time the player logs out of their current account. That way the player has to choose if they wish to play hib, mid, or alb that particular day or week, as opposed to playing hib for x minutes/hours and logs to mid/alb. I guess the real question is, currentl,y what prevents someone with 10 accounts from creating 10 seperate e-mail addresses, then changing ips once they log, then log into the next account under a different ip? To enforce the lockout mechanism, i'd recommend doing IP checks as a first line defense, but also in conjunction I'd like to see an additional component added in the form of a standalone application that is required to run and be operating in the background while players are on uthgard. This application would check harddrive IDs and report this info to uth server when the person logs in with an account. If the HD id's dont match what is associated with the registered account then the user is rejected from logging into any account. Also if the application isnt kept on during play on uthgard, then the player is automatically disconnected from the server. This would be akin to the measure taken by blizzard with their background program in World of Warcraft that checks background service programs for hacks and other undesirable activities, although in this case there would be no data collected except for the person's hardware ID so it can be linked to account creation. For example the application is required to download and run during the registration process. When run, the app will prompt the user to enter their desired info (account name, pw, e-mail address for the account) and sends this off to uth registration. The user now has an account registered and their Hardware ID is recorded and sent off to be stored in an UTH DB. The player can login to uth using daoc portal but in order to be connected to uth server, the application has to be run and validate the login request from the current user. Since the application is required to run in the background each time the player logs in, no one can get onto uth without first having verified they are the person who originally made the account since it is linked to the PC used to register. An option could be placed on the application if the person is changing hardware or accessing the account. Clicking this would update the current info registered to the person's account after revalidating the new hardware. To my knowledge one cannot fake hardware ID authentification. A timer could be set preventing a player from revalidating multiple times in a day. For example if a revalidation is done, then the account is banned from use for a 24 hour period (or whatever time is deemed appropriate) This would prevent exploitating the use of the validation process to log in from another machine and so forth. Last edited by Zippity on Dec 22, 2009 04:41, edited 2 times in total.
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Intresting idea with the app to varifie a players id. But the only problem with that is, if you want to play your account at another location. Like if you have daoc at home and you also play sometimes at a friend or else where. You could use such app, as a means to idintife a computer , to prevent dual logging and something that can not be changed. Like the app gives your computer an id of 12345 because of harddrive id or what ever, that can not be changed, then when you log in it tells the server, id 12345 is logging in. Now if you try to duel log, it will send another id 12345 trying to log in and the server will catch that. You have to log out first, for the id to not be logged into the server. Same goes with a xrealm timer. You log into hib with id 12345, on any account and when you log out, id 12345 requires x amount of time before you are allowed to log into another realm with the same computer id. This would make an ip tracking not needed, exept if they have more then one computer, which in that case youd have to try the ip tracking to prevent that computer, but that computer will also have an id, and will be limited to one realm for x amount of time.
Such preventions is to limit the number of players doing such things, not to stop it compeletely , since that would be impossible to be 100% sure of stopping such things. Only issue with an app idea is for those who are afraid of security reasons, with an app sending data to a server, not that uthgard would use such app to bad reasons, but some people new to the server, may not trust it. |
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Yea, playing the account on another location is handled by the concept though. I proposed that there be an option included with the application to allow a person to change the hardware id linked to the account but this can only be done once a day or within some specific time frame.
This would prevent the abuse you speak of but allow people to go to a friends house or play with that on another pc. The account would still be flagged as having been used no matter where you are though but it just makes sure that people cant run around to another pc or change ip and log in to another realm while still allowing them the ability to play their char at another location. For example if you have your account created while playing on PC1, and then decide to play the account on PC2, you have to use the program function to transfer account usage to be based off of PC2's ID. The flags associated with PC1 still remain when you transfer it over to PC2 however except now you can play on uthgard usign PC2. You're still locked out from going to another realm while on pc2 because your accounts made and used with pc1 would still be flagged and stored in a database and all flags are transferred during the hardware transfer process using the program. If you made 3 accounts on pc1 (a hib, mid and alb) and logged into hib on pc1 and then decided to go to pc2 to play your midgard character, you'd not be allowed to do this because the hardware id on pc2 doesnt match the id that you used to log in to the account before. I'd even go so far as to propose using other hardware ids as well in addition to the hardrive id like the motherboard, just in case you want tomake sure someone doesnt swap in / out external hd's. Last edited by Zippity on Dec 22, 2009 05:47, edited 1 time in total.
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you CAN fake your hardware ID. At least every Linux user should know that and they should know how to do that since its really easy 1) You are on the internet
2) You are visiting the Uthgard forums 3) You are reading my signature 5) You didn't notice that point 4 is missing 6) You just checked for point 4 7) You are smiling FungsterINC's buffbot services! |
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Well the vast majority of people are windows users, and even so, this is a niche group of people who would be able to do this. Right now on uthgard ANYONE can go back and forth between realms as they please. Putting some tough limitations on this process would weed out the largest amount of people possible. |
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