statement from uthgard staff on relics OF please

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Postby Nymeros » Nov 17, 2009 17:53

Blue wrote:
5- give an underdog realm xp-bonus, if one realm performs badly in rvr and has too few players give a higher xp bonus (i.e. alb atm) to help balance things out

We can talk about an underpopulation bonus.


Thank you for your replies Blue, I think this in particular is pretty important and should be somehow implemented.

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Postby Galandriel » Nov 17, 2009 19:02

ich hab jetzt keine zeit hier alles auf englisch zu schreiben drum in kurzform, ich hoffe der vorschlag kam noch nicht:

früher gabs ja diese fürsten oder wie die hießen, pro keep das im besitz des realms war standen 2 davon am relic rum (oder 3?)... dadurch mußte man keeps raiden um das relic selber überhaupt zu schaffen und das war die beste vorwarnung fand ich... warum nicht einfach wieder so machen?

unter 4-5 gruppen sollten solche raids einfach nicht schaffbar sein sonst gehts ja wirklich 3x am tag hin und her

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Postby vangonaj » Nov 17, 2009 19:12

Galandriel wrote:ich hab jetzt keine zeit hier alles auf englisch zu schreiben drum in kurzform, ich hoffe der vorschlag kam noch nicht:

früher gabs ja diese fürsten oder wie die hießen, pro keep das im besitz des realms war standen 2 davon am relic rum (oder 3?)... dadurch mußte man keeps raiden um das relic selber überhaupt zu schaffen und das war die beste vorwarnung fand ich... warum nicht einfach wieder so machen?

unter 4-5 gruppen sollten solche raids einfach nicht schaffbar sein sonst gehts ja wirklich 3x am tag hin und her


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Postby Blue » Nov 17, 2009 19:25

Galandriel: This was already recommended in this thread. But I doubt it would fit our lower population. Maybe it has to be trimmed.
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Postby nixian » Nov 17, 2009 19:30

Galandriel wrote:ich hab jetzt keine zeit hier alles auf englisch zu schreiben drum in kurzform, ich hoffe der vorschlag kam noch nicht:

früher gabs ja diese fürsten oder wie die hießen, pro keep das im besitz des realms war standen 2 davon am relic rum (oder 3?)... dadurch mußte man keeps raiden um das relic selber überhaupt zu schaffen und das war die beste vorwarnung fand ich... warum nicht einfach wieder so machen?

unter 4-5 gruppen sollten solche raids einfach nicht schaffbar sein sonst gehts ja wirklich 3x am tag hin und her


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Postby Aemonchichi » Nov 17, 2009 20:01

still missing a statment on the relic reset after the changes to the warning mechanism

we had no warning mechanism before (well at least no a mechanism that made sense) and relics wandered multiple times

we all saw that it was not working well

uthgard staff changed the warning mechanism

so far so good - but if you take such a drastic change you have to reset the relics

it is not fair that hib and mids gained and lost relics under the old system and only a few hours before albs raid all str relics and now they own them protected by a brand new warning mechanism ?

thats not what i call fair

if you change the mechanism because you all saw that it needed to be fixed/improved - you just cannot do that without relic reset

this is creating a biased situation and i don`t think thats good for the rvr environment

if you play a game and in the middle change the rules you gotta start over - simple and true as that

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Postby Gerbald » Nov 17, 2009 20:05

Sit back and relax, i bet in a week you will laugh about this, because relics changed owners a few times.

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Postby Aemonchichi » Nov 17, 2009 20:27

no

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Postby jrhadden » Nov 17, 2009 20:52

He said "he put 7p of his own money into repairs"..


>> 7 Platin <<

Thats the context where we should put in "relax".

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Postby Der_Eisbaer » Nov 17, 2009 20:53

I think the people complaining about not being warned when a relic raid is happening are right. The best way to deal with this would indeed be to reintroduce the named guards at the relic keeps that give warning to the guild that is "owning" them.

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Postby Blue » Nov 17, 2009 21:07

Aemonchichi wrote:if you change the mechanism because you all saw that it needed to be fixed/improved - you just cannot do that without relic reset

So with any single change we should reset relics? I dont think so. Just wait a week and the cards are mixed again.

Der_Eisbaer wrote:I think the people complaining about not being warned when a relic raid is happening are right. The best way to deal with this would indeed be to reintroduce the named guards at the relic keeps that give warning to the guild that is "owning" them.

You didnt notice that we have a warning now on every guard kill? Its even a bit too much.
- New: Realm wide under siege message (we will see how this develops)
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Postby Aemonchichi » Nov 17, 2009 21:41

well blue we had no relic warning before - so introducing a relic warning when alb is owning all 3 str relics is not "any single change"

in spite its a significant change cause now a realm can defend which it could not before

so status quo is now you give the albs the chance to defend 3 str relics which they gained against mid who did not have had the chance to defend them

i know a relic reset is a big thing but introducing warning messages also is a big thing

we are not talking about "any single change" like a tweak at npc hps or something like that

just my 2 cent

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Postby Gerbald » Nov 17, 2009 22:06

I can understand you are upset.
But its not like Albs got the relics for free.
They put a lot of organization, time and effort in raiding the relics.
If you just took the Albs relics and gave them back to Hibs and Mids, that would not be fair too, because all that time and effort would have been wasted.
And then Albs would complain and i could understand that too.
Cant make everyone happy i guess.

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Postby Aemonchichi » Nov 17, 2009 23:22

irrelevant

everyone put a lot of effort, planning and what else into raiding relics

thats not the point

the relics are protected now by a mechanism that is newly introduced

so the relics should be reset so every realm get a fair share of that mechanism

noone hast to complain then cause there is nothing to complain^^

if you change the relic protection mechanism while the relics are unevenly distributed you automatically grant the one owning the relics a advantage - if that happens you favour one realm above others even if you do not intend to do so

and in a game like DAoC balancing the game outside of raw mechanism is up to the players but the mechanism itself is staff business - so aside from improving game mechanisms for all it should also taken into account that all realm profit equally from, or suffer equally under changes to the game mechanism

so if you take the albs relics and give them back to hibs and mids it would only be fair discouraging any discussion about relic placement and timing of mechanism changes

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Postby Blue » Nov 17, 2009 23:33

I will reduce realm wide under siege messages to relic keeps only.
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