all realms have high hills close by where it is possible to shoot with arrows into camp

mid and hib camp is about same range from closest gate
alb is pretty far back though

Oh I wasn't talking about the archery thing, its just annoying that roaming groups can easily see into our camp and breeze by us yet we can't do the same to them, or even see them if they are near our camp. The hib camp is much closer than the mid one and its not sunk into the ground or anything, its alot easier for hibs to kite back into it, though I'm sure it happens more often, but I think both should be further back similiar to the alb camp.

I would like to play Old Frontiers too. With necklace ports and so on.

They should make a poll regarding Old Frontiers, I would love to play on OF too

There's alot of things people don't remember/consider when talking about OF though, I think most anyone would hop right onto OF without first giving it thought. There was a poll before but it had a biased wording and many changed their minds after reading the content of the thread. And are we talking the OF map, the OF RAs, the OF neck ports, ect ect howmuch of OF. Kind of a touchy issue.

agree OF would be nostalgic but too many issues to be taken care of imo for it to be worth the effort

KXT wrote:There's alot of things people don't remember/consider when talking about OF though, I think most anyone would hop right onto OF without first giving it thought. There was a poll before but it had a biased wording and many changed their minds after reading the content of the thread. And are we talking the OF map, the OF RAs, the OF neck ports, ect ect howmuch of OF. Kind of a touchy issue.

Worthwile if you ask me, just a sh*tload of work.

No offense but its easy to say its worthwhile when your not the one that would be doing the work ^^. I agree with Nixian on this one, it just isn't readily feasible.

KXT wrote:No offense but its easy to say its worthwhile when your not the one that would be doing the work ^^. I agree with Nixian on this one, it just isn't readily feasible.

The dude from Yggdrasil did all this by himself. Saying it's not feasible is just as easy.

If I could help, I would, trust me.


I do believe it's worthwile because 1 it would be a godsent to a LOT of the players and 2 because it would make Uthgard become even more popular thus increasing the action and enforcing the need for a bigger rvr zone such as OF.

I haven't seen how the dude from Yggdrasil chose to implement all of it, the specifics of some of the abilities are kinda controversial [wasn't Yggdra pve anyways?].

I would help as well, and I believe I have a solid understanding of the format, but that doesn't mean other people would agree that I have a solid understanding, and its the same for the Devs on Uth.

You say it would be a godsent but alot of people are quite happy as is, and whether or not it would make Uth that much more populated is debatable. I think nostalgia gets the best out of people when they hear about OF, its been so long its hard to remember alot of the specifics, OF would not be the same game as it was back then, if we played it today even if the code was the same.

I agree with NOIR

Agramon is kinda boring.

Its essentially an 8v8 zone with stealthers.

If you try play a duo at peak hours, you just get ran over.

Its either solo or FG in agramon atm.

And 8v8 is boring. Run to MMG, run back to HMG, run back to MMG, run back to HMG oooo group!!! Kill!! RPPPPPPPPPSSSSSSSSSS!!!!.......run back to MMG.....

I think exping was also easier in Emain (NF). There were more spots more spaced out, and you could go check them solo or in a duo then find duo battles ect.

in emain you got anychance as a solo/small group if there is fg around...

at least in agra you can hide

KXT wrote:I haven't seen how the dude from Yggdrasil chose to implement all of it, the specifics of some of the abilities are kinda controversial [wasn't Yggdra pve anyways?].

Hmm well this shows u havent played on Yggdrasil. Of course it was RvR with a tiny bit of PvE if u wanted to farm procced items.

Why would I refer to Yggdrasil if it wasnt an OF RvR server?


Saying that people want OF because they want the old days back is not really a viable argument. OF is just an insanely well designed frontier zone and would fit the classic aspect of Uthgard way better than Agramon. Also, Agramon is getting too small, I think everyone can agree on that. The fact that some people are nostalgic is not really an argument not to have OF, definately not because it's no reason whatsoever to indicate that OF would be a bad choice for a larger RvR zone, more than that even, I'd even say it would be a better choice since a lot of people would love to play there.
You're saying people like it as it is. I have the feeling those people don't really bother that much about the RvR zone and would also be fine with OF, if not like it more once they tried it.


@panach wth are you talking about, emain is way bigger than agramon and has loads of opportunities for smallgrps or solos, probably more than agramon. Agramon is so small that when there's more than 3 fgs roaming, it's getting really hard to avoid em.

I agree regarding OF, it's insanely well designed and that's the main reason why I'm sure a lot of people would love it.


Dude, NF sucks !!!

With OF, every zone was different, there was a kind of unique feeling and atmosphere in each zone, Emain was that way, Hadrian's Wall was that way, Pennine Mountains were very different too, so was Uppland, Odin's Gate, etc etc, i mean it's not just nostalgia, it's about designing.

NF zones are all the same, they are damn flat, boring, and have nothing to do with DAoC Classic zones or even DAoC at all, they look like randomly generated maps!! All keeps and towers are placed at the same location, so are rivers, it's almost like you find forests at the same place etc,

it SUCKS!!

About Agramon, Agramon is nice but it looks like a Quake 32 player map, it's not daoc its a shoot em all -.-

yep, you can't see the same love of old frontiers maps in new frontiers map. Only thing is I like new frontiers keeps better:)