I don't laugh about this kind of fighting or think "that only a bunch of unskilled zergers" like them. Its just not my favourit way to get rps

You can do some nice tactics in a keep fight as long as ppl listen to you. We tried to help as good as possible but its really hard to do ANYTHING as a cleric if you get rupted all the time nearly everywhere inside the keep ^^

All in all I hope to see this kind of fighting more often, because it helps uthgard. The only think I dislike is this permament hate against 8vs8 just because many people do not want to get better or simple are too bad on their characters to compete in an equal 8vs8

Those in 8v8 rvr guilds can easily call out keep warfare players as newbies. but make a new toon not in that guild, not talkign to your IC friends, and try lookign for an rvr group. now to play that game on extreme mode, do it in american timezone play hours (something like 1-5AM for euros).

after a few hours of getting nowhere, you will end up grouping up with 2-3 others (probably half of which are sub 50), and takign keeps. sometimes you get lucky and can form a moderately decent keep group that can take on enemy fgs. but most of the time its just feeding rps to the enemy guild groups when they finally decide to show up to the flaming keeps.

So you either do keeps, or you sit and do nothing. Those are the options for american players without 7 pocket buddies to log in and make an insta group.

Yep..its tuff for especially the late US players: and actually it is on all realms://. I remember that from when I was in a mainly USA timezone guild once.

/Dru

Netchel wrote:Those in 8v8 rvr guilds can easily call out keep warfare players as newbies. but make a new toon not in that guild, not talkign to your IC friends, and try lookign for an rvr group. now to play that game on extreme mode, do it in american timezone play hours (something like 1-5AM for euros).

after a few hours of getting nowhere, you will end up grouping up with 2-3 others (probably half of which are sub 50), and takign keeps. sometimes you get lucky and can form a moderately decent keep group that can take on enemy fgs. but most of the time its just feeding rps to the enemy guild groups when they finally decide to show up to the flaming keeps.

So you either do keeps, or you sit and do nothing. Those are the options for american players without 7 pocket buddies to log in and make an insta group.

This statement has ALOT of truth in it. Its easy to say when you allready have alot of good players to play along with and a great knowledge of the server, but when you are brand new and starting from square one its alot different. Now I will say that newer players should actually have an easier time during American time, only because there is less players around so you can tend to not fight the high RR groups as much and people tend to be a bit more accepting of a newer player. I will admit that the action is very sporadic though, and alot of times tasking/keep takes is the only way you have to earn some rp's.

And as we see now Keep/Task-Changes and the begin of the Mid-Zerg has reanimate the server RvR.

Now Albs, who hasnt any Relict since months, have raided Midgard and took 3 Relics! Gratz to whoever has organized this Raid.

Hope we will have more epic fights like yesterday in future
Even if our small Mid-Zerg was overzerged by Hibs

Daene wrote:And as we see now Keep/Task-Changes and the begin of the Mid-Zerg has reanimate the server RvR.

Or maybe it is due to the increase of global population of Uthgard (700 yesterday evening), and the reroll of a part of RvR Midgard players in Albion (and maybe Hibernia). Increase of number of player is probably due to the 1.110+ client support. And it should go better since DAoC Portal 2.8 and full automation of mods install.
By the way, we saw that less Mid zerg => more Alb/Hib action, so i'm afraid that your assertion is false.

HulkGris wrote:

Daene wrote:And as we see now Keep/Task-Changes and the begin of the Mid-Zerg has reanimate the server RvR.

Or maybe it is due to the increase of global population of Uthgard (700 yesterday evening), and the reroll of a part of RvR Midgard players in Albion (and maybe Hibernia). Increase of number of player is probably due to the 1.110+ client support. And it should go better since DAoC Portal 2. 8 and full automation of mods install.
By the way, we saw that less Mid zerg => more Alb/Hib action, so i'm afraid that your assertion is false.

Maybe these arguments(1.110 portal 2,8) helped the reanimation of the server too, but say what you want, the midgard rvr participation forced albion to partipate more too. If it would be only the 1.110 (which is not implemented for 2 month ) it would also increase the hib rvr population, but like we see, the rvr hib population appears to be similar to some month ago.

Albion zergs because midgard zerged the last 2 month. There are many mids who play now alb because Midgard is zerging so much. If midgard did not zerg, there would be no reason for so many hib/mids to join albion.

Its a chain of reasons for the strong participation of the realms in rvr and ofc of the population too.
The keepraid rp /task system -> mids made daily task/keepraids-> it became to a daily ally tasking event-> it became to zerg-> albion had to zerg because the midzerg+ many mids joined albion -> bigger albzerg -> more rvr activity/action -> more player. Ofc 2.8 and 1.110 helped too but ppl are not idiots this massive of new players did not come only because its now easyer than before to play on uthgard.

Tiberian1986 wrote:Ofc 2.8 and 1.110 helped too but ppl are not idiots this massive of new players did not come only because its now easyer than before to play on uthgard.

Of course it is.
Why do you insult people who don't manage to solve installation problem ? Do you really think that all potential players would bother to spend time to solve this kind of problem to play on an shard ?
For plenty of players, Uthgard is "just" a freeshard. They try, and if it doesn't work they delete portal.
When i try to play on Uthgard, most of installation notes on the site were outdated, with dead link to screenshot. But since i'm daoc addict, i tryed and tryed again. All players are not as addict as me (and probably you).

By the way, i agree on one point :

Tiberian1986 wrote:There are many mids who play now alb because Midgard is zerging so much. If midgard did not zerg, there would be no reason for so many hib/mids to join albion.

Huge zerg was a problem because it was too much. Players found solutions, and then, rvr has become fun again. But Uthgard rvr didn't start in mid-2012 with the increase of mid zerg. In first months of 2012, there was 1 000 players on Uthgard, and rvr was not dead, nor a one-way situation like it was some weeks ago.

Not to be a douche but if someone lacks the determination to find out how to install the game, he probably isn't cut out for uthgard ^^

I did not want to insult the ppl who were not able to join uthgard. I thought u insult them indirect. Because u really think, that so many ppl were not able to solve easy problems so I wrote like I wrote^^.

It appears there are like 30% new players. And I cannot believe, that 30% of the player where not able to join uthgard before portal 2.8 and 1.110.

When I joined Uthgard it was as followed: I downloaded daoc portal and installed it. I clicked the server and tried to join. It did not work because my client was not supported. I watched the forum and saw I need 1.109. I followed the description in the forum and downgradet it. And bamm it worked 5 min work.

Like I said 1.110 isnt implemented for a long time so that cannot be a big reason why so many players joined the last 4-6 weeks. Maybe the last 2 weeks but not before. But anyway, only wanted to say what u did say with your last sentence. The players had to find solutions for the zerg and so they started zerg and tried to get more ppl to the rvr zone. And this rvr action brought also many players back to uthgard.

Tiberian1986 wrote:Like I said 1.110 isnt implemented for a long time so that cannot be a big reason why so many players joined the last 4-6 weeks. Maybe the last 2 weeks but not before. But anyway, only wanted to say what u did say with your last sentence. The players had to find solutions for the zerg and so they started zerg and tried to get more ppl to the rvr zone. And this rvr action brought also many players back to uthgard.

surely not all of the pop-increase come from new players, but as i said in another thread, it is obvious that some measures taken by the staff (facebook button on portal site, simplifying "how to connect" guide, one-click-daoc-portal-access (auto-mod-install), 1.113+ support for ppl, that wanna swap between live and uth etc. etc. all have its share...

ofc zerg-behaviour and overall rvr-setup currently is helping as well, but i guess that they are not the main reasons...

Looking at this cause seems that only Alb and Hib player cant menage how to install daoc&patch for Uthgard! Please..

It's a question of how much ppl have interest on do something togheter, and if there is someone that can bring ppl togheter.

For midgard was holsten in blue sunday, then hightmute for massive keepraids.. that dont make raid since months, infact zerg mid is decreased.
Instead with the return of Rare (or some of them) albion had found some courage and took the mid relic 1 day ago.

I remember the alb dragon raid with 80+ ppl, so there was ppl, they just wont come out in rvr, for many reason but surely for lack of motivation.. and maybe some of them (when there was zerg events) would prefer play on mid (if they have toon there) just because there was a real organized fixed event almost every day..

But things change, fortunately or unfortunately

Caemma wrote:I remember the alb dragon raid with 80+ ppl, so there was ppl, they just wont come out in rvr

exactly! and that more or less proves, that not some leaders or zerg-events increased server-pop but the measures from the staff...

however, to raise rvr-pop such organisers (blue sunday, zerg-raids, etc. etc.) are important, to get ppl away from leveling their other toons or raiding dragon/taj/legion etc., but go rvr...and they are important for all 3 realms and not only one ...but that doesn't really raise the server pop from 650 to 800 ...mabye from 650 to 700 but never 800

for albion especially: griselda is back, rare is running (part of ) again...so albs got their brain again...guess who get the albs getting relics recently? i bet i'm not that wrong

The only thing that the staff has done to maybe get a few more players interested in Uthgard was the fact that keep raids now give rps and therefor are more attractive for people, attackers and defenders. This results in more action.

But tbh my guild is the best example. Some of us played GW2 until new year and some stopped already earlier and some didn't even try GW2 or stopped very early. But ALL except for 1 or 2 stopped playing on Uthgard when we started to play GW2. Now in the first two weeks after new year, without any communication happening, almost 80-90% of the whole guild members came back to Uthgard, and believe me this was not because of Keeps giving Rps or the Barrel removal or any other change that happened. The reason is, its winter, the streets are full of snow and its cold outside. A year ago Uthgard had 200 people more at this time, i really wonder how people can think the recent changes did so much to the population. RPs for Keeptakes increased the RvR activity, surely did, but most of the other changes (apart of bugfixes) rarely made anyone think, WOW lets go back to Uthgard!