Zetmor wrote:Hi. I'm new here. Just a quick post to ask... what the actual BG setup is?
Because I don't find the info anywhere (not in home nor any sticky post about it).
That would be a cool enhancement of the home page of the web site: newws are great, but it would be cool to have a permanent page describing the shard for newcomers ; the specific rules of the server (classic/of), the BG, info about that modified v1.80 specifics (craft version, etc...). Because it's a bit difficult to find all the info deep in the forum.
Anyway, my first concern is about the actual BG setup. Where it is, indeed?

Braemar lvl 20 - 35, rr2L2 cap
Wilton lvl 36-43, rr3L2 cap
Thidranki lvl 44-49 rr4L2 cap

Maidrion wrote:Braemar lvl 20 - 35, rr2L2 cap
Wilton lvl 36-43, rr3L2 cap
Thidranki lvl 44-49 rr4L2 cap

Thanks!
(I inform my friends)

*bump*!!

Keep this thread up there! It's vital for the welfare of the whole server!

scythe111 wrote:*bump*!!

Keep this thread up there! It's vital for the welfare of the whole server!

No need to bump already highly active threads - please stop doing so

if this was an attempt of sarcasm it was really hard to read, please refrain from doing it on the forums as it is hard to read sarcasm

Nope, serious :]

It fell beneath the top 1-2

nixian wrote:ofc scythe111

however staff has plenty of times stated that this:

1. People will flock to the lowbie BG's and leave OF deserted.
---- Answer? If people want that, LET THEM. If they really have more fun in lowbie BG's, then why prevent them from doing so?! I'm not saying that would happen (because it wouldn't).

They do not want .. because in some of the lvl 1-20 bgs you can /xp off and never leave.. they do not want people to be able to do so (that's why there is no /rp off on this server too)

they do not want people to be able to stick to BGs as daoc is about 50 rvr for them and on this server.. so saying its an invalid argument and that we should keep discussing it seems senseless to me as the staff has already stated they will not implement a 1-20 BG for several reasons


I don't mind discussing more BGs - but could we please move away from the suggestions that has already been rejected by the staff?

ty

Nixian, I understand why people should not be allowed to permanently stay in the BGs, but I think that it would be interesting if things were arranged so that we could level through the BGs. Disabling /xp off and removing the RR limit (or lowering the RP gain in BGs) would be of interest. This would allow people to level either through PvE or PvP -- as they wish -- without being able to end progression in favour of BGs. This would also serve as proper training to prepare newbies for emain. Of course, rerolling would be possible, as it currently is.

Bukowski wrote:Nixian, I understand why people should not be allowed to permanently stay in the BGs, but I think that it would be interesting if things were arranged so that we could level through the BGs. Disabling /xp off and removing the RR limit (or lowering the RP gain in BGs) would be of interest. This would allow people to level either through PvE or PvP -- as they wish -- without being able to end progression in favour of BGs. This would also serve as proper training to prepare newbies for emain. Of course, rerolling would be possible, as it currently is.

I like your idea and I'm fond of it myself, but I'd rather see leveling through PvP made viable outside BGs more, as BGs don't provide any real training when it comes to Emain RvR.

I'd say implement the classic BGs with their old values and level ranges (perhaps slightly more cap RR) and increase the XP per kill on enemy players to x20-25ish in OF. This way PvP will be a viable way of spending time on progressing your character, even though you won't find inc every 2 minutes like you do with mobs. If you don't get enough xp for killing enemy players, it won't work, simply because people will see it as a waste of time more than a way of progressing or even having fun. The risk of killing enemy players to xp is far greater than it is to kill mobs.
Also increase the bonusses and spawn qualities in OF to make xping through either PvE or PvP both viable in OF. This in order to create a major new player influx in the unpopulated OF zones with lowlvl PvP / PvE grps who are almost all at least green to lvl 50s (since there's BGs till lvl 35). Of course zerg and 8v8 RvR won't prefer them as main targets and will keep going Emain, but for instance solo and smallman RvR will once again have their share of targets to fight. Even though their targets aren't 50 and SCed, a 5man of lvl 40 players can really put up a decent challenge against a solo lvl 50 high RR player.

In the end this will turn OF into one massive 'BG' for basicly everyone. Players will get to know OF and the OF playstyles while they level and will get to meet and feel the power of their future enemies. The step from going from BGs to Emain will cease to exist and dinging 50 will only be that last bit of extra power you need to actually be at the strength you've always wanted to when fighting other enemies.

More players will group other players below RRx or y, they will group players who aren't even 50 yet simply because you can go out with a grp of 3 38s, 2 45s, 1 50 and just see what's out there. Will you meet a FG of 40+ killing finliaths, or will you meet a duo of 50s looking for prey? Will you go Hadrian's or check Svasud Faste? It's nothing like BGs anymore where you run to CK, leech everything and /rel to do the exact same, it's way more serious, more challenging and way more exciting than any RvR I've ever had here before.

Basicly, it's what classic DAoC used to be all about: run out in OF at whatever somewhat decent level with whatever somewhat decent gear and look for whatever enemies you can find. It's pure RvR. Currently this type of RvR is almost impossible in OF. It's only possible in BGs to an extent, but it definately doesn't come close to what it used to be.

Bukowski wrote:

nixian wrote:ofc scythe111

however staff has plenty of times stated that this:

1. People will flock to the lowbie BG's and leave OF deserted.
---- Answer? If people want that, LET THEM. If they really have more fun in lowbie BG's, then why prevent them from doing so?! I'm not saying that would happen (because it wouldn't).

They do not want .. because in some of the lvl 1-20 bgs you can /xp off and never leave.. they do not want people to be able to do so (that's why there is no /rp off on this server too)

they do not want people to be able to stick to BGs as daoc is about 50 rvr for them and on this server.. so saying its an invalid argument and that we should keep discussing it seems senseless to me as the staff has already stated they will not implement a 1-20 BG for several reasons


I don't mind discussing more BGs - but could we please move away from the suggestions that has already been rejected by the staff?

ty

Nixian, I understand why people should not be allowed to permanently stay in the BGs, but I think that it would be interesting if things were arranged so that we could level through the BGs. Disabling /xp off and removing the RR limit (or lowering the RP gain in BGs) would be of interest. This would allow people to level either through PvE or PvP -- as they wish -- without being able to end progression in favour of BGs. This would also serve as proper training to prepare newbies for emain. Of course, rerolling would be possible, as it currently is.

the problem with that is that it is relatively easy to loose your xp when you get close to reaching the lvl cap for a certain BG

simply jump down and suicide back to 0 bubles, buy your con back.. and suddently we have RR5+ people in a lvl 35 BG.. simply: no ty..

nixian wrote:

Bukowski wrote:

nixian wrote:ofc scythe111

however staff has plenty of times stated that this:

1. People will flock to the lowbie BG's and leave OF deserted.
---- Answer? If people want that, LET THEM. If they really have more fun in lowbie BG's, then why prevent them from doing so?! I'm not saying that would happen (because it wouldn't).

They do not want .. because in some of the lvl 1-20 bgs you can /xp off and never leave.. they do not want people to be able to do so (that's why there is no /rp off on this server too)

they do not want people to be able to stick to BGs as daoc is about 50 rvr for them and on this server.. so saying its an invalid argument and that we should keep discussing it seems senseless to me as the staff has already stated they will not implement a 1-20 BG for several reasons


I don't mind discussing more BGs - but could we please move away from the suggestions that has already been rejected by the staff?

ty

Nixian, I understand why people should not be allowed to permanently stay in the BGs, but I think that it would be interesting if things were arranged so that we could level through the BGs. Disabling /xp off and removing the RR limit (or lowering the RP gain in BGs) would be of interest. This would allow people to level either through PvE or PvP -- as they wish -- without being able to end progression in favour of BGs. This would also serve as proper training to prepare newbies for emain. Of course, rerolling would be possible, as it currently is.

the problem with that is that it is relatively easy to loose your xp when you get close to reaching the lvl cap for a certain BG

simply jump down and suicide back to 0 bubles, buy your con back.. and suddently we have RR5+ people in a lvl 35 BG.. simply: no ty..

I'll agree with nix on this one. BG's are for quick, fun fights. This can't happen if you have a high RR GG running around in there. Mini Emain= bad.

Wait, what? RR5 in BGs? That doesn't make any sense.

There'd be RR caps in place still, but you'd be able to do /rp off instead of /xp off if you wanted to.

However, this won't stop the player from suiciding to stay in the BG forever.



Now, this is all hella off topic, I'm asking for another battleground, not a new battleground system.

rps off command for bg player yeeeaaah =)))

forget emain sucks anyway ;p

Melodexx wrote:rps off command for bg player yeeeaaah =)))

forget emain sucks anyway ;p

Emain is nice if you have a high rr setup group^^

A lvl 20-29 bg and slightly raised cap on thid would be good enough imo.

dont think we need more BG, the reason is that we have a nice population in the battlegrounds atm. If we get 5bg we will devide the population and we will have less ppl in one zone. Now we can find groups to fight and there is always someone to fight.

Ah, hadn't thought about that. It might be possible to remove XP loss upon PvE deaths/jump suicides in BGs. I don't think that this would be enough to make more people PvE in BGs (which wouldn't necessarily be bad), but at worst, it could be possible to reduce or remove XP gain in BGs.

Bukowski wrote:Ah, hadn't thought about that. It might be possible to remove XP loss upon PvE deaths/jump suicides in BGs. I don't think that this would be enough to make more people PvE in BGs (which wouldn't necessarily be bad), but at worst, it could be possible to reduce or remove XP gain in BGs.

^^^^ Bad idea. BG's are fun to level through for most. Not to stay in.