Change Thid cap to lvl 50 and 5L and there will be more activity in Thid and on Frontiers,you will see...It impossible to get grp on frontier under 5L,more since OF.Under 5L you just are food for 5L+ on frontiers,and Thid. is always empty.Only activity there is build a grp to take keep and get xp bonus ,than go xp because BG is empty.I've spend 3 weeks,playing 1h every evening to get 3L->3L6 in Thid...That's not really attractive!I think lot of people share my opinion about this.

Kaltess wrote:Change Thid cap to lvl 50 and 5L and there will be more activity in Thid and on Frontiers,you will see...It impossible to get grp on frontier under 5L,more since OF.Under 5L you just are food for 5L+ on frontiers,and Thid. is always empty.Only activity there is build a grp to take keep and get xp bonus ,than go xp because BG is empty.I've spend 3 weeks,playing 1h every evening to get 3L->3L6 in Thid...That's not really attractive!I think lot of people share my opinion about this.

That will just split the lvl 50 RvR population even further.
The point of being an active lvl 50 RvR player is going to OF to do RvR.
That's why a lot of people are /xp offing in thid with their alts.
Well hopefully this will change with some pending changes.

Splitting Braemar in two BGs 20-27 and 28-35 seems a nice idea to me. Normally I never go to Breamar any lower than level 28 because else it is a pain, you get killed by everybody in no time. If there were two BGs like mentioned above this would relax the situation.

Bring back the old BGs aswell.

Kaltess wrote:Change Thid cap to lvl 50 and 5L and there will be more activity in Thid and on Frontiers,you will see...It impossible to get grp on frontier under 5L,more since OF.Under 5L you just are food for 5L+ on frontiers,and Thid. is always empty.Only activity there is build a grp to take keep and get xp bonus ,than go xp because BG is empty.I've spend 3 weeks,playing 1h every evening to get 3L->3L6 in Thid...That's not really attractive!I think lot of people share my opinion about this.

In your opinon thid activity is low? There are bigest zergs in thid than in frontiers. I capped rr in thid in 1 week. When i go frontiers no one ask me for my rr. BG for lev 50 and rr5 cap is really bad idea.

Skill>>>RR.

There absolutely should be a lower level bg. I am new to this server, leveling my first char, and I am getting so terribly bored of solo pveing. If I didn't love DAoC as much as I do, or if I was a new player or new to the server, I definitely would have quit by now. I fail to see how 20-28ish lvl people rvring in a bg is going to hurt anybody else.

See, Uthgard staff? A new BG is good for the family, good for the kids!

ConnorM wrote: I am getting so terribly bored of solo pveing.

as much as I agree in a new lower BG should be there this single sentence makes me so annoyed


if your bored solo pve'ing from 1-30 maybe you should change your tactic and try grping - its 10 times faster and 10 times more fun

nixian wrote:

ConnorM wrote: I am getting so terribly bored of solo pveing.

as much as I agree in a new lower BG should be there this single sentence makes me so annoyed


if your bored solo pve'ing from 1-30 maybe you should change your tactic and try grping - its 10 times faster and 10 times more fun

The thing is, earning Realmpoints helps with leveling. For example serenity, it helps because it reduces the downtime by caster and healer alot.

Also you can start really make some Rps around 30 only. Otherwise, you will be ganked repeatedly by Twinks with better equip/higher levels. You also get one Realmpoint at 20. So why not BG from 20-28, 29-35, 36-43, 44-49?

I think the starter BG would NOT come (6-10, 11-15, 16-20). It would be just a good thing to earn some realmpoints and having some experiences due to rvr and it's also be something else aside from grinding and grinding and grinding.

Well, hope dies at least!

nixian wrote:if your bored solo pve'ing from 1-30 maybe you should change your tactic and try grping - its 10 times faster and 10 times more fun

Soloing, I play more than I should. Grouping, I know I'd play more than I want. For a multitude of reasons, like playing until the others get their levelup too, until they found a replacement for me, or just until the progress isn't so damn good anymore. DAoC is an addiction. Sometimes, soloing is a way to deal with it. So finding a group is not always a viable solution, even if there really is an actual group to find

Weia wrote:

nixian wrote:if your bored solo pve'ing from 1-30 maybe you should change your tactic and try grping - its 10 times faster and 10 times more fun

Soloing, I play more than I should. Grouping, I know I'd play more than I want. For a multitude of reasons, like playing until the others get their levelup too, until they found a replacement for me, or just until the progress isn't so damn good anymore. DAoC is an addiction. Sometimes, soloing is a way to deal with it. So finding a group is not always a viable solution, even if there really is an actual group to find

tbh you should get more self discipline then and explain to your grp members why you can't stay on

its still no excuse for being bored soloing 1-30

if your bored? do something else (like grping someone) even a duo or trio is better than solo

nixian wrote:tbh you should get more self discipline then and explain to your grp members why you can't stay on

Yes, sure, simple solutions are the best solutions. I wonder why I didn't think of that. I guess DAoC being a bit of an addiction is really just me and noone else. I feel so lonely now

However, on topic:

tvpro wrote:Bring back the old BGs aswell.

That would be

Thidranki lv20-24
Murdaigean lv25-29
Caledonia lv30-35

Much more reasonable level ranges, and removing competition for levelgroups from the high level ranges, where exping really starts to hurt. You might actually start seeing levelgroups in remote areas like vanern, where you can't quickly switch back to the BGs again. And as an added bonus, if the final push to 50 was 15 levels instead of 1, you're much less likely to give up real RvR too easily.

And as a compensation, make going to the frontiers for sub50 chars more attractive again. Repair all the broken camps (ammount, respwn, Bone-Eaters should use the vendo model, not werewolf ), give a bonus competitive with DF, and maybe even let frontiermobs drop some DF seals. My frist main broke 100k RPs long before lv50 - actually, before any battlegrounds or even RAs got patched in. And that was even more fun than BG action

Weia wrote:That would be

Thidranki lv20-24
Murdaigean lv25-29
Caledonia lv30-35

Much more reasonable level ranges, and removing competition for levelgroups from the high level ranges, where exping really starts to hurt. You might actually start seeing levelgroups in remote areas like vanern, where you can't quickly switch back to the BGs again. And as an added bonus, if the final push to 50 was 15 levels instead of 1, you're much less likely to give up real RvR too easily.

And as a compensation, make going to the frontiers for sub50 chars more attractive again. Repair all the broken camps (ammount, respwn, Bone-Eaters should use the vendo model, not werewolf ), give a bonus competitive with DF, and maybe even let frontiermobs drop some DF seals. My frist main broke 100k RPs long before lv50 - actually, before any battlegrounds or even RAs got patched in. And that was even more fun than BG action

Great idea if you ask me. Making OF zones more interesting and worthwhile for higher lvl xp grps will definately spice things up for XPers aswell as RvR smallmans.

PS:@Nixian: Ehm, xping is boring from 1-20, you really, really have enough of it if you focus on your character and want to do something more exciting by then (grouped or solo). The next 10 levels are even worse, group or no group, it's becoming an extremely annoying grind.

please go up and read


I agree a lower bg is needed


HOWEVER if you complain about xp being boring because you soloed from 1-30
then maybe you should think of socializing and grping a bit as it really does speed up things + makes the lvl grind a BIT more fun

Whether you're grouping or soloing for exp, pure pve from 1-30 is monotonous. The only time it's not is when your realm owns DF and there's the thrill of knowing you could be rolled by gray killers at any time. Sure it sucks, but it keeps you alert and makes things more exciting; compared to practically zero risk of grouping in some random pve zone, mind numbingly pressing the same key on your keyboard to attack or cast a spell. Whether you're grouped or solo, it's the same thing.

With the availability of a lower level BG (or breaking up Braemar's level gap into 2 BGs) gameplay gets more appealing. Instead of pressing the same keys over and over, you're forced to learn strategy; when to use certain styles, getting your timing down, learning how to work better as a team to defeat the enemy...overall, better performance. You're forced to be aware of your surroundings, because you could be hit in any direction. There's no doubt, killing other players is a lot more exhilarating than killing mobs; and way better exp.

There's no harm in implementing a new BG, or modifying Braemar into two, and there's no reason why it shouldn't have been done already. This has been a popular topic for a long time now; give the people what they want!