I like old ras because of the balance realm versus realm overall for our patch setting.


I also think NF could work, but I think we would need to change the patch setting to get balance. And even then I still feel NF is inferior to OF, but it would at least be better than this Frankenstein of settings.


I am currently putting most my rps on a reaver in 8v8, which is basically useless in Old RAs.

Yeah sure players only decide for their class, so I want old RA's and lose
Purge
MoC
SoS
Yeah my bard is so going to benefit from old RA's it has to be the reason!
And I play Ranger who will lose MoS5 and all other NF goodies - to get MoS0 in return.

Hm my last alt is a Skald - one of the classes which benefit the most from old RA's.

guys Old ra or NF it is not importend but we get some fixes and costum to get balnce in emain and more action in emain and a better fair game play

This complaining about OF and (maybe never) coming old RAs is such a waste of time. Why don't you just stop complaining each and every day about it ? The staff will keep new RA and OF and there will be some changes to balance stuff. Some of these changes will come earlier (theurg RR5) and some of them later (wizard getting usefull in RvR)

Keep on with your PvE, minion!

Ppl realy want to play against drood gp purge ?

old ra are more unbalanced than new ra but many here have never tested it or have forgotten after all these years !

This server is customed, let it be !

Hope, SI and many fixes will come before old ras....

Buckaroo banzai wrote:Ppl realy want to play against drood gp purge ?

old ra are more unbalanced than new ra but many here have never tested it or have forgotten after all these years !

This server is customed, let it be !

Hope, SI and many fixes will come before old ras....

1. what's the problem with this? never played anything but alb, but bof, sb and sos were good as well, so at least grp purge didn't really bother me SO bad...

2. depends...they were just different...old RAs were nice for low-rrs, which could focus on one "kind" of RA (moc for casters, det+purge for tanks, crit-/dmg ras for casters or dmg-tanks etc. etc.)...AND it was a lot more difference between the realms...currently every realm has the same RAs, except for some rr5-skills, which (most of them) don't really have that much of an impact...

3. it is custom, but what makes one customness better than the other?

4. i'm sure of that...SI and stuff is done by abydos and other staffies, while blue is the only one, who might ever work on old RAs (except i lose my job and got a lot of free time) and he has lots of other things to do...

Jezzmin wrote:2. depends...they were just different...old RAs were nice for low-rrs, which could focus on one "kind" of RA (moc for casters, det+purge for tanks, crit-/dmg ras for casters or dmg-tanks etc. etc.)...AND it was a lot more difference between the realms...currently every realm has the same RAs, except for some rr5-skills, which (most of them) don't really have that much of an impact...

old RA are not good for low RR du to prerequisite. I you want to get back your NF Sere 2, you need acuity 2 before. Purge cost 10 points instead of 5. Oh yes, you can afford a 100% moc to dump your little RA every 30 minutes (maybe around 5L), but imo, it won't change anything for low RR. MoC from a low RR is not really dangerous (will be oom quickly or not enough damage), while on a high RR with mastery of the art and damage RA, well...
old RA have a lot of drawbacks : they will increase the supremacy of dual wield, since hybrid won't have access to Deter anymore and dual wielder will gain a RA to increase their damage, RA to increase melee speed, no more PD, MoB less effective.... And i really think that timered RA with strong effectiveness will create a poor gameplay.

It's the same discussion like NF vs OF. So many were whining about OF and didn't realize that OF keep doesn't give LoS to defend, that timered port to other frontiers was boring, that they will loose realmwar, ... I'm convinced taht it's worst with old ra vs new ra...

Yeah Old RA's are not as balanced as New RA's, let's play WoW that's balanced...
It is and was the beauty of daoc that it has different realms.

Celteen wrote:Yeah Old RA's are not as balanced as New RA's, let's play WoW that's balanced...

If you have nothing to say, shut up.

Celteen wrote:It is and was the beauty of daoc that it has different realms.

And ? Old ra / new ra, same diversity. Even more diversity with new RA.

ye, so much diversity, with bof3, di2, purge2/3, pr1 on every support, det5 charge3 on every offtank, pd/sere/conc3/moc/purge on every caster. EXCITING!

however, the main reason should be: it helps low rr's so much to play their role in emain, it helps pugs alot to beat the set groups / guildgroups. a) you get the important ras way earlier b) timers of 30 minutes will not end up in getting ra dumped over and over.

so where exactly is your new ra diversity?

the rr5 gives diversity... especially the old-patch rr5's like snapshot

warrior rr5, nice
hero rr5, okay
armsman rr5, lol joke

eld rr5, nice
rm rr5, nice
wizzard rr5, lawl

cabby, nice
sm, meh
enchanter, lawl

and so on....

HulkGris wrote:

Celteen wrote:Yeah Old RA's are not as balanced as New RA's, let's play WoW that's balanced...

If you have nothing to say, shut up.

You don't have a clue about RvR but at least you have kinda idea of forum trolling.

In NF everyone has the same spec anyway, the small timer favor RA dumping and it's out of our patchlimit.
Having a mix of 1.69 + NF RA's is completely custom not live like and just bullshit the staff likes because its well researched (if you spend years on it sure it's better researched than old RA's).
Go 1.80 new RA or 1.69 old RA the rest is just a freeshard but not daoc.

most importantly old RAs are much more caster friendly, which currently is an issue...SO many tanks having access to det and charge makes it hard for pure caster setups especially vs mids...albs and hibs usually don't run full tank setups, so so it should be easier for mid-caster-grps (i heard there is one running successfully currently)

just an example how old RAs are better for low rrs:

armsman:
nf RAs: purge2, det5, fa2, ip2 -> 80 points!

old RAs: fa2, ip3, det5, purge2 -> 43 points

few people will pick fa2 with nf RAs so basically you can leave it out for 15 points but that still leads to 65 vs 43 points!...7L5 vs 5L3 IS a major difference...oh sure i forgot awesome nf arms rr5!

another example:

cabalist:
nf RAs: moc3, mcl1, purge2 -> 50 points

old RAS: moc3, aug int 3, mcl1, purge2 -> 37 points

4L7 vs 6L0...yes, rr5 for cab is quite nice, but that's not true for ALL classes, so basically rr5 should be taken out of consideration completely...you get BETTER RAs with LESS points and you even get +18 int from aug int 3...

i compared old purge to purge2 and old ip to ip3 due to having the same effect..


only downside on old RAs is the longer timers, but then again, what's so bad about that? it gives low rr grps a chance to throw in ALL they have to win vs high rr grps...and high rr grps have to take care when to use an RA instead of just firing it on every inc...30 min is a long time and if your purge is down that really hurts...currently 5 min purge doesn't hurt high rr players, as it will be up on next inc...even 10 min RAs are up most of the time on inc...

edit: hulkgris, you don't seem to get the idea of "diversity"...it's not meant to be diversity of RAs ONE char can pick...but diversity between realms...with nf ras caster-grps in all 3 realms are "more or less" played the same way...just like tank groups are...with old RAs you have to consider the different specials each realm has...sos, bof, purge and baod are just 4 examples...albs play different vs hibs then mids...that's true now as well but only because the grps have different KINDS of chars with them (mids more tanky) and not because the actual realms are so different)