Ranius wrote:you can get spec af charge, there are no cele charges and hib also doesn't have spec af spell

On live there are celerity charges/procs. Theirs values are not really high (15% I think) but they stack with normal haste. Why not add them on uthgard ?

But i guess the replies will be like "qq mid will be less op and it's not 1.80 olol"

who hasn't tried getting a nice "push" from a high lvl menta giving you a dmg shield and once in a while a hot?

Its the same with shaman in mid to be honest. ^^
Friggs has similar efect to hot on low levels.

My aug/cave shaman with 10 mend is able to push someone 1-5 in about 30 min. With higher cave/mend specs i think it could be possible also on higher levels (up to 15 or so).

The whole 1.80 discussion is a moot point anyway. On 1.80 they had TOA on live server with all its artes, ml and stuff. The Uthard balance wont be livelike anyway. So imho maybe a completly custom balance would be best after all.

well i think i have a good idea for a custom balance for uthgard...

lay the archer selfbuffs in the bowline as it is NOW on live..

this will affekt ALL realms..
mid hunter do not need beastcraft anymore
hib ranger do no longer need to train pathfinding (this skill does no longer exist on live)
and finally alb scout gets buffs too.

so 2 realms got free points for more important things and the 3rd realm get at least a bit love with buffs

Musikus wrote:well i think i have a good idea for a custom balance for uthgard...

lay the archer selfbuffs in the bowline as it is NOW on live..

this will affekt ALL realms..
mid hunter do not need beastcraft anymore
hib ranger do no longer need to train pathfinding (this skill does no longer exist on live)
and finally alb scout gets buffs too.

so 2 realms got free points for more important things and the 3rd realm get at least a bit love with buffs

You call THIS balance?

Most important thing is cele to all. Like mids wouldn't have speed5. It's op and stupid. More and more ppl to mid cause it's op...

well archers do seem to have the shortend of the stick on uthgard but perhaps thats another topic... most rvr healers are paci on uth anyway

yay lets close Hib and Alb and let all play mid and do Mid against Mid in RVR Zone. [ironic off]


I Know cele is really strong.. but from my point of view it will get boring when all realms got equal abilities - sadly there are enough of the same.

If you ask me, give cele to all realms - I dont care, but what will happen next?

Insta Amnesie for all realms, 1875 mezz range for every realm etc. ?

There are always some features one realm has and others dont, its as simple as that. And this is what Daoc was about in the good old times, till all realms got the same ******.

just my 2 cents

all realms = same skills

reminds me of wow :'(

Murax wrote:yay lets close Hib and Alb and let all play mid and do Mid against Mid in RVR Zone. [ironic off]


I Know cele is really strong.. but from my point of view it will get boring when all realms got equal abilities - sadly there are enough of the same.

If you ask me, give cele to all realms - I dont care, but what will happen next?

Insta Amnesie for all realms, 1875 mezz range for every realm etc. ?

There are always some features one realm has and others dont, its as simple as that. And this is what Daoc was about in the good old times, till all realms got the same ******.

just my 2 cents

Well...as you said cele is really strong...thats why the other realms got it too lateron in the following patches. Paladin and warden got it in form of 150 [?] radius chants. Healers can cast it once for whole group for 30 seconds. Thats quite a big different and advantage.

Maybe its boring if all realms have all the same abilities, but its more boring if one realm has a very strong ability and the others dont. And plz...dont try to compare mighty menta HoT or a Spec af (which can be charged anyway) with a celerity buff. Both are nothing compared to this haste effect.

In the "god old times" with old ras and unique abilities there was no celerity. Everyone could spec RAs to receive a selfhaste and in that days there was no celerity. With old ras it would be fairer anyway as this would improve casters too. With old ras casters can get mastery of arts to finally improve cast speed and celerity would no longer be necessary/avaiable too.

Just my over 9000!!1!! cents

Greetings
Holz

@holz nice try to bring back the crappy old RAs discution, but that s a bit offtopic...

anyway this topic is useles

celerity is for pussies!

Celerity was given to Mid first, because before 1.80 the population of midgard was the lowest of all 3 realms and so they got a lovepatch..

Do we have this on Uth, no. Is there a reason why mid has it, uhm no?

I would say, No celerity for noone.

i think staff realy doesn't care about this topic and nothing like that will never happen...

Yes and this is sad too...

but cele for all or noone!

massivmampfer wrote:And plz...dont try to compare mighty menta HoT or a Spec af (which can be charged anyway) with a celerity buff. Both are nothing compared to this haste effect.

if you had read my post carefully, then you might have recognized that I didnt compare anything. I´ve just tried to show where this might will lead to and chose 2 special abilites from other realms.