If you kill one grey you can´t get rps and xp, but if one grey kill you he get rps and powerlevel, it is injust. If grey players will give rps i havent problem with gray players in brae.

well...then it should be same everywhere...wilton, thidranki, agramon, Darkness falls...but this will not happen. Just think of mobs...grey mobs dont give exp either but if you kill dragon (you are grey for him/her )you get xp.

yeah just imagine the grey players as small aggro mobs that you have to kill in order to get the reward (blue,yellow, orange player) ^^

honestly i never cared about the greys, one or two area spells and they're gone anyways
your greys can have fun with the greys on the other side while you kill the biggies

More Freedom to choose your levelspot

-> No restriction in minimum level to BGs !

Rector wrote:...
The point is that at the moment, you are silly if you level your char to lvl 20+ via PvM. Its very very much faster if you get a RvR group in Braemar. You can go there with lvl 5 and if you are lucky, you are lvl 20 in a short time.

But I think, thats not DAoC as it´s meant to be. I think, doing PvM should be necessary to get your char ready for Braemar.

Well, you have a point there of course. Leveling in the Braemar range is currently more similar to a PvP Server than a normal RvR Server.

1. If you get a group.
2. If there actually are enemies around.
3. If your realm isn't hopelessly outnumbered by the enemy so that your group is only getting zerged.
4. If your realm isn't hopelessly outnumbering the enemy so that your group is hardly getting any kills.

Otherwise, it's not much more efficient than PvE in a good group, and definitly less efficient than getting PvE powerleveled.

Btw you can't get by without any PvE anyways, because you at the very least need to get 10 silver to pay for the port to Braemar .

Rector wrote:... and people who want to level their char the "usual way" (maybe cause they are new to the game) don´t find anyone to group with, cause everybody does it the faster "braemar way".

This could be a problem, if there were not so many other reasons to not find a group.

Like experienced players leveling faster solo than in a random group anyway.
Or established players rather getting a quick powerleveling from guildies than really going lfg.
Or any player prefering the freedom of soloing to being forced to stay concentrated all the time and adapt to the rythm of a group (same reason players avoid lv50 rvr).


Overall, I think this problem is only of a very theoretical nature, and just of no practical relevance at all really.

I almost fully agree to your post, Weia, except the following:

Weia wrote:This could be a problem, if there were not so many other reasons to not find a group.

Most of these reasons cant be influenced by the staff. But the braemar-rvr-levling thing can. So why not reduce the amount of things that prevent levelgroup-building to a minimum?

Weia wrote:Overall, I think this problem is only of a very theoretical nature, and just of no practical relevance at all really.

Well I am not sure about that

What´s your problem ? You find enough enemies ... i don´t care about greys . I kill greys If the ykill me , they got a lot of more experience than me , but only a small amount of RPs.So they level faster and i get more green and upper enemies in a shorter time. If we build such a restriction, they can only do PvE and this is annoying. Thhis means they stop playing actively and you find only a few enemies , who went off after few wipes;)

For BGs i prefer a lot of Incs no matter how high they´re.If i want more difficult fights against better/higher or equal players, i go to Agra

Thing is the leeches that find rvr exp fast and go to braemar too early (like before lvl 20) will not exp fast, they will gain just a few levels due to RR cap then quit because they got used to leeching and no one will invite a lvl 25 char in wilton.

Besides pvm exp gets slow at ~40. Put an end to all those lazy /stick /die /expleech /quitatlvl30 bums and put a min-lvl lock on battlegrounds.

Rector wrote:...
Most of these reasons cant be influenced by the staff. But the braemar-rvr-levling thing can. So why not reduce the amount of things that prevent levelgroup-building to a minimum?

See, minimizing is not always worth the effort. It's like when you drive 20km more to the supermarket where what you want to buy is available at the minimum price, of 1 cent less than everywhere else. Just not worth the gasoline.

I think unless we actually start getting a lot of complaints from players who can't find a group for leveling, restricing Braemar access will only be a microscopic improvement to a problem that hardly even exits.

But of course, that's just my perception and opinion.

I wouldnt mind if low players add in agramon rvr. This would cause to have much more players in agramon and all kinds of players...not only lvl 50 full equipped players. I dont say that because i want to easy farm rps or something...its just the way it is on live too. The only thing that prevents that to happen on uthgard is the "no-add" or "elitism" attitude, which makes many players (especially new ones) hate agramon and go to bgs or even leave server. It would be much funnier with 50 players per realm at same time in agramon instead of 10 agra and rest braemar thid etc.

Grinding is boring, exping in bg gives you character 20+ levels in few hours => enemy will be sooner to fight you instead of being farming hundred of mbos == No restriction to bgs, yes to easier exp

I don't like those lowbobs who just want to leech XP in Braemar. So please make new BG for 1-20

Demiurgo wrote:Grinding is boring, exping in bg gives you character 20+ levels in few hours => enemy will be sooner to fight you instead of being farming hundred of mbos == No restriction to bgs, yes to easier exp

20 levels is a horrible exaggeration and impossibility. And what happens after you cap RR eh ? You won't see many enemies when you're 2L2 and level 20ish.

lower level => less rp , cause of rp cap ... => NP to lvl in BGs with RvR to lvl ~33/34

I joined Braemar BG with lvl 26 BM and left it with nearly lvl 34

I went braemar today and i saw people in level 7 and 8 there doing powerlevel