mfassben wrote:@Weia
Well i bothered to play in Brae the last few days with my lvl 33 Savage.
When i did that,there were about 3/4 to 4/5 grey enemys and the rest was of some color,most green or,if i was lucky,blue.Thats awesome fun to play,ganking of ppl who can´t rly defend themselfs beeing a onehit and not giving any reward.

Btw. this comment:

Then don't kill them ?

made you the retard of the day Not hitting enemys that try to kill me ...

Emphasis on TRY. A lot if not most of these grey cons don't have a snowballs chance in hell to succeed, and guess what, most know it, and will gladly move on once they realize that you have no intention of harming them.

So I can't really see what should be retarded about it. If you're worried that killing a grey con might reveal your presence and thus be a tactical disadvantage, just /wave and run past. It works much more times than it fails.

mfassben wrote:@Weia
Well i bothered to play in Brae the last few days with my lvl 33 Savage.
When i did that,there were about 3/4 to 4/5 grey enemys and the rest was of some color,most green or,if i was lucky,blue.Thats awesome fun to play,ganking of ppl who can´t rly defend themselfs beeing a onehit and not giving any reward.

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Oh yes, nearly got me there, forgetting to reply to your on-topic part while answering your pointless flame

31 Berserker, 27 Spiritmaster, 30 Warden, 31 Sorceror, 20 Cleric and a few other 'greys'. Can't remember a single time there havn't been enemies in the orange or even red level range present, that is if there were enemies at all. (and you can't really count those 5 grey albs vs 32 mids situations) So you were either very unlucky with your online times, or playing in some different kind of Braemar.

Well, whatever, I guess one thing we can agree on now:

mfassben wrote:Still going to Brae with 26+ is stupid cause you won´t gain anything at all

... no reason to go to RvR between 26 and 33 because the enemys are not worth anything either way.

This has nothing to do with truth or reality, because even if we base on your observations, how can killing blue/green and even light grey to 33 not be worth it for all lv26+ chars ?

Weia wrote:I really like the situation. Feels a lot more like oldschool RvR than anything else I've played in recent years.

True, indeed. I haven't seen Braemar for quite a while now, but Uthgard RvR in general feels a bit more old-school these days with the occasional 4x in Agramon and lots of colors in the BGs. It's not specifically Braemar.

Advice to all those lvl 30-35 feeling exploited in Braemar: Move on to Wilton and you can profit again. You won't own anyone for a while, but that's not really what you're in the BGs for, is it?

I really like the situation. Feels a lot more like oldschool RvR than anything else I've played in recent years.

What situation, lotta greys around? !st BGs in DAoC were 20-24,25-29 & 30-34(or 35 not fully sure now) Short lvl gaps, no greys anywhere, And actual BGs are from 1-45 in gaps of 5 Lvls.
Where are coincidences with old-DAoC, where are the greys around?

Yes, i think its fine as it is now. Before the xp-changes greys had no real chance in braemar and its nice that braemar is filled up a bit now.
You should better close this thread, because the topic is just a egoistic point of view.....

Asking to get a thread closed coz U dont share same opinions isnt more egoistic?? man, Let people express their opinions....

A lot if not most of these grey cons don't have a snowballs chance in hell to succeed, and guess what, most know it, and will gladly move on once they realize that you have no intention of harming them.

Tell that to a mage being interrupted for example...


And about killing 'em as U said, most time they surrounded with some other enemies, which for a stealther isnt good since ok U can kill 1 yellow tank if Pa, but 2 together??, Most of times killing a grey makes all others know where U are...

Advice to all those lvl 30-35 feeling exploited in Braemar: Move on to Wilton and you can profit again. You won't own anyone for a while, but that's not really what you're in the BGs for, is it?

Yeah, not owned but being owned... And if we under 2L2 and under Lv35, that's our BG, (with that i also say, greys are in their right to go to Braemar) ; but in my opinion there should be a division in 2 diferent BGs of Braemar

Edited to correct some words

EvilAliv3 wrote:

I really like the situation. Feels a lot more like oldschool RvR than anything else I've played in recent years.

What situation, lotta greys around? !st BGs in DAoC were 20-24,25-29 & 30-34(or 35 not fully sure now) Short lvl gaps, no greys anywhere, And actual BGs are from 1-45 in gaps of 5 Lvls.
Where are coincidences with old-DAoC, where are the greys around?

Well, oldschool, like in long before even the first OF BGs were implemented. When RvR meant leveling in Yggdra Forest while fending off invading groups of albs and hibs and stealthers of all levels. When every mid did /bind in Hugginfell, because that was the closest bindstone to the frontiers, and realm defense started by running to Vindsaul Faste to form up together with everyone, no matter what color, to push the evil invaders, which came in all sizes and colors too, back to the lake or zombie-camp and finally send them back to albion or hibernia. In these days, before even realm abilities were implemented, there were indeed lots of greys around for all levels.

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A lot if not most of these grey cons don't have a snowballs chance in hell to succeed, and guess what, most know it, and will gladly move on once they realize that you have no intention of harming them.

Tell that to a mage being interrupted for example...

With our current interrupt code, I can cast right through most grey's attacks. Mezz them, root them, stun them, run a bit off, /slap, that settles it most of the time . Of course, if the grey is assisting some higher levels, it's something different, but even then they can hardly ever turn a battle, and you're no longer in the situation where killing the grey will result in any tactical disadvantage anyway.

And about killing 'em as U said, most time they surrounded with some other enemies, which for a stealther isnt good since ok U can kill 1 yellow tank if Pa, but 2 together??, Most of times killing a grey makes all others know where U are...

Well, I said don't kill them, so noone will know where you are. And I don't think I can quite follow you with the rest. Kill 1 yellow + 1 grey add shouldn't be a problem either. 2 yellow tanks ? Kill one then die, so what ? The other side needs to get some RPs too, or they'll just log. Keeping them happy will ensure they'll stay so you can kill them again

Well, Anyway i dont see fair that a guy raises half a level or more if get killed by his group (NOT EVEN HIM), and i get nothing for killin him.

I dont mind greys being there, but i dont see fair they got no cap for exp or anything when they are jus being Powerleveled in someway... ( Getting exp for Doing nothing )

Edit: Djina is RR2L2, not complaining coz it goes againts my char... I have lotta lowies 25- im leveling out of Brae.

Razzer but they didnt continue lvling till 36 to enter Wilt. They enter whith that lvl they are so they continue as grey^^. But atm Wilt is so empty against Brae that u exp in a half of cap grp faster than on incs there ^^.

I can understand most of the posters here cause i've lvld my Bers till 35 to rock them but what do i find?

12 grey albs that wanna get the keep -.-.

Sry but that is not the RvR i wanted.

But with one of my alts i enjoyed the very very very good exp too ^^.

Mfg Hardnuke

if you complain about grey that are leveling so easy.. maybe you can be grey in other bg and get " easy" RP/XP

If you find someone who will group you ^^

panachier wrote:if you complain about grey that are leveling so easy.. maybe you can be grey in other bg and get " easy" RP/XP

YES! Great advice, lets turn thidranki into braemar! Some lvl 43 as highest chars killing people from lvls 1 - 40, how fun is that? People get annoyed from this in braemar already, let alone thidranki.

And Weia, how does 'not killing greys' ensure u that they won't tell others where they are??

Greys will try to get a grp, if they can't, they won't leave u alone (neither will they when grped). They will just leech with every bit of dmg they have.

Splitting BG's is a great alternative, altho there should still be a minimum lvl like 15-25 and 26- 35. And perhaps the only possible BG to get in would be the next, so no lvl 10s in wilton / thid would be nice too.

Zarkor wrote:...
And Weia, how does 'not killing greys' ensure u that they won't tell others where they are??

Ok, so yo're running around solo and meet a grey con.

Now Mr Grey doesn't have a group. Obviously, he tried to get one, but people kept telling him "LOL, lv15 ? Go away noob. ROLF!!!!111111". So now he's out searching for his realmmates to add on when they kill some enemies, so he can get high level too, and be the one to tell other newbs to go away. However, instead he found you. Worst case scenario, because you of course are not a grey leacher, but a player who is doing it rite, so you're lv35, SCed, and ready to spread the pwnage.

So what do you think will happen ?

Mr Grey will attack you and force you to kill him, or just die triggering the reactive procs of your armor, so the enemy zerg will know you're out on the hunt and /send him to find out where you've been ? Why would Mr Grey do this, I mean, what's in it for him ?

Or do you think Mr Grey might go '/b HALP! Me found Mr L33t!!! All come here quickly to loc X,Y and kill him so I can leach!!!'. I mean, what are the chances Mr Grey will still be in range and alive to leach once his zerg arives ? What are the chances you will still be hanging around waiting ? How big is the risk for them to roll "extreme farmage by one of the other two realms' zergs" on the random encounter table while traveling to your location ? Or the risk to miss the Big Inc once they leave their favorite farming spot ? And all this for the chance to arrive at your decorative corpse, because Mr 3v3nL33t3r reached you before them ?

Greys will try to get a grp, if they can't, they won't leave u alone (neither will they when grped). They will just leech with every bit of dmg they have.
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Only greys that wouldn't leave me alone yet have been a pair of theurgs, and I hope they'll know better next time we meet again . If they are in a group that's a different matter of course, but then them telling someone else about your location is none of your problems anymore, because 'someone else' is already there with them.

simple solution.. more BGs !

man, the greys turn yellow in no-time, at least blue. and u get rps for them. be happy and just level or rp out of brae. so u wont see them again. im ok with the solution atm, even if the normal "homezones" are like ghost-towns nowadays, bc everyone leeches in brae. but hey,thats life

When I said you could gain 11 levels in Braem I was speaking of grey leeching. A level 10 caster with AE could easily acheive this.

Greys are not much of a problem but that one Grey caster that can send stun pets at you or I have been mezzed by greys many times to be run over by his 3 blue friends is a bit of a disapointment.

You are forced to add the grey casters and healers as targets but get no xp or rps for them but they certainly can cause trouble for your rvr party. Of course they maybe ungrouped and just traveling with a group and will receive loads of xp and rps if you are killed. A bit of a one way door.