Why is Drastic giving any 8v8 input when he is a garbage minstrel that nobody runs/ran and then proceeded to add on every 8v8 fight?

You insta stunned tanks in groups and never got invited again. Stay in your lane soloing XPers and adding on fights.

ntc wrote:PS, drastic adding in 8 man fights and being in 8 man fights is quite different. (so don't get it twisted)

u are absolutely right, they are different indeed. although, i got tired of carrying 7 other players in an 8man only to give them charity rps as a result...so, i decided to solo instead and top the rp charts as a solo player getting 700-900 rp a kill.



i could provide u more feedback to ur false claims, but i feel like this is enough ego bruising for now...

Stevie wrote:Why is Drastic giving any 8v8 input when he is a garbage minstrel that nobody runs/ran and then proceeded to add on every 8v8 fight?

You insta stunned tanks in groups and never got invited again. Stay in your lane soloing XPers and adding on fights.

who is u? clearly a nobody. u ragequit alb cus it was too hard for u to handle, it's ok...tilt is doing the same thing.

funny thing is, when i was 8manning for about a month as shown on the SS above...albs were getting 100-150k in 3 days. now that i stopped 8manning, the fga makes 20k~ in 3 days. actions speak louder than ur words, mr. nobody.

virulent- wrote:

ntc wrote:PS, drastic adding in 8 man fights and being in 8 man fights is quite different. (so don't get it twisted)

u are absolutely right, they are different indeed. although, i got tired of carrying 7 other players in an 8man only to give them charity rps as a result...so, i decided to solo instead and top the rp charts as a solo player getting 700-900 rp a kill.



i could provide u more feedback to ur false claims, but i feel like this is enough ego bruising for now...

You are right bud, no alb 8-man ever made rps without you in group. And the screenshots of you actually in group 4 times got me. lol well done.

Let's keep this on topic fellas, we don't want this thread to get locked as well.

You're all are over thinking this, anyways. Uthgard is the same as DAoC has always been. At the highest level of play, a proper hybrid setup is dominant. Thankfully "the highest level of play" is not present on Uthgard, so all sorts of wacky comps can be successful

I don't think kpax is looking for advice or opinions here, but if I may... IMO single Sorc setups are overly difficult to pug, regardless your Minstrel count, for many reasons. More importantly, you're going to have make a very tight assist train to effectively kill with that group, and I don't see that happening in a pug. Best pug group for Alb IMO takes a bit of inspiration from Dark Dawn. Sorc, Sorc, Cab, Minst, Merc, Arms, Cleric, Cleric, preferably having your best players on Mind Sorc, Cab, and Minst. I know it's still caster heavy, but this is Alb. I think double Sorc is the best compromise for a pug you can make, and let's not even discuss going off the deep end and making some ridiculous no-cloth tank group.

Good luck out there kpax! Looking forward to whatever you're able to put together!

Aelred wrote:Let's keep this on topic fellas, we don't want this thread to get locked as well.

You're all are over thinking this, anyways. Uthgard is the same as DAoC has always been. At the highest level of play, a proper hybrid setup is dominant. Thankfully "the highest level of play" is not present on Uthgard, so all sorts of wacky comps can be successful

I don't think kpax is looking for advice here, but if I may... IMO single Sorc setups are overly difficult to pug, regardless your Minstrel count, for many reasons. More importantly, you're going to have make a very tight assist train to effectively kill with that group, and I don't see that happening in a pug. Best pug group for Alb IMO takes a bit of inspiration from Dark Dawn. Sorc, Sorc, Cab, Minst, Merc, Arms, Cleric, Cleric, preferably having your best players on Mind Sorc, Cab, and Minst. I know it's still caster heavy, but this is Alb. I think double Sorc is the best compromise for a pug you can make, and let's not even discuss going off the deep end and making some ridiculous no-cloth tank group.

Good luck out there kpax! Looking forward to whatever you're able to put together!

on ur proposed lineup u didnt even include a theurg (not saying u need a theurg to win but it's OP and mids/hibs always complain about them). u mentioned 2 tanks. if u really want a tank just do 1 tank 2 cab 1 sorc 1 theurg (or 2 sorc 1 cab)

my fav 8man setups are 2 cab 1 sorc 1 theurg 1 tank, or 2 cab 2 sorc 1 theurg no tank (1 minstrel and 2 cleric on both lineups)

if you really want to support this guy in his effort of forming an alb grp, dont ruin it by

1) discuss setups, which isnt something he asked for
2) exclude the cabby from these setups, which is clearly the class he wants to play
3) have stupid fights over e-peen matters

OT:

sounds good, i sent you a msg

Shinyuka wrote:if you really want to support this guy in his effort of forming an alb grp, dont ruin it by

1) discuss setups, which isnt something he asked for
2) exclude the cabby from these setups, which is clearly the class he wants to play
3) have stupid fights over e-peen matters

OT:

sounds good, i sent you a msg

here is excellent advice to the original poster, kpax...if u are trying to 8man on alb and no one knows u, they won't invite u. start ur own group.

Don't get me wrong, I love Theurgs and totally agree they are amazing, but I think two tanks and two Sorcs is more important in a true pug. In my experience, a single Sorc is too vulnerable if not properly supported (as would happen in a pug), and if you lose them, 9 times out of 10 the fight is over. To make up for the Theurg's absence, you have a Merc that will play different roles depending on the opposition.

Versus hybrids and casters, he plays in the frontline, helping the Minst rupt, and assists the Arms/casters on quick targets. Versus tankers, he hangs back and helps the Arms peel and assists on over extended tanks. Losing pbt, Theurg buffs, and the unique nature of Theurg pets sucks, but I think the tradeoff is worth it considering the coordination you're going to find in a really puggy pug.

Aelred wrote:Don't get me wrong, I love Theurgs and totally agree they are amazing, but I think two tanks and two Sorcs is more important in a true pug. In my experience, a single Sorc is too vulnerable if not properly supported (as would happen in a pug), and if you lose them, 9 times out of 10 the fight is over. To make up for the Theurg's absence, you have a Merc that will play different roles depending on the opposition.

Versus hybrids and casters, he plays in the frontline, helping the Minst rupt, and assists the Arms/casters on quick targets. Versus tankers, he hangs back and helps the Arms peel and assists on over extended tanks. Losing pbt, Theurg buffs, and the unique nature of Theurg pets sucks, but I think the tradeoff is worth it considering the coordination you're going to find in a really puggy pug.

the problem with ur argument is even building a 'pug friendly' alb tank group is still more difficult to be successful than a hib/mid tanker. so, it's like what's the point of pugging an alb tank group when it's not nearly as strong and won't win u fights. ur better off pugging a alb caster/hybrid group and building a chemistry and getting better over time with that setup and not giving up. it's all about patience...ur going to lose more fights than win as a new alb caster group but once everyone is in sync, it's 100% winning after that so it's worthwhile (assuming ur players in group arent idiots and can progressively learn and get better over time with practice). if u want a ezmode pug group ur on the wrong realm.

only ppl u will possibly beat with an inferior alb tank setup is sh1tt3rs like flumps group, INFIS, gear, or shocker. the other fgm/fgh are decent enough to beat any alb tank group, period. u wont come close to beating shadori/peanut group with alb tanks even if they are the best tanks on alb.

I don't think it's so much of an insurmountable hill as you're making it out to be. My group is running 7/8 fresh characters with a truly awful (but fun!) comp, and we're seeing the tide turn after only a month of playing 3 nights a week. I'm not sure which invincible Mid groups you're talking about, but we're excited to fight against <monkaS> at some point (unfortunately our plays times are completely at odds!).

The comp I was suggesting is inarguably a hybrid setup, and if Dark Dawn was able to go mostly undefeated with a Paladin surely you wouldn't suggest swapping in a Merc makes it a weak comp?

Overall, it's clear we agree that the key factor is sticking it out through the losses and growing as individuals, and as a team with the players you are pugging with. Everything else is just filler for conversation

Aelred wrote:I don't think it's so much of an insurmountable hill as you're making it out to be. My group is running 7/8 fresh characters with a truly awful (but fun!) comp, and we're seeing the tide turn after only a month of playing 3 nights a week. I'm not sure which invincible Mid groups you're talking about, but we're excited to fight against <monkaS> at some point (unfortunately our plays times are completely at odds!).

The comp I was suggesting is inarguably a hybrid setup, and if Dark Dawn was able to go mostly undefeated with a Paladin surely you wouldn't suggest swapping in a Merc makes it a weak comp?

Overall, it's clear we agree that the key factor is sticking it out through the losses and growing as individuals, and as a team with the players you are pugging with. Everything else is just filler for conversation

well first of all ur comparing dark dawn vs ur guild...apples and oranges no offense. also to factor into the equation, they did it when the server was still new and there wasnt mid/hib casters with moc/purge etc. if dark dawn ran that pally setup in today's uth 2 they would definitely run into some trouble. u are quite delusional if u think an alb tank is anywhere remotely close to as powerful as alb caster. and if u beat monkas/rebirth/astro group with ur tank setup i will personally give u 1 platinum piece (aka it will never happen).

looking at the incguild site, ur guild 8man is averaging 10k-20k per player in 3 days. plz stick to pve and don't talk about rvr strats ever again.

Hope it works out for you.

Ignore Drastic, the rest of the server does.

This game have been out since 2001 and still evolving as is the rvr state of uthgard, mids learned to use red ns and now we have high rr casters so its really hard to run a caster setup, specially when you're pugging since its less forgiving and people don't have the synergy needed.

IMO hybrid is the way to go, 2 tanks is the sweet spot, you just need to find patient people to play them or you'll be in a world of trouble

Albion do have the jail free cards but the other realms get the insta toys and thats what makes the player synergy comes into play.

Well thx alot for the constructive thoughts about setups. But i played mostly hib and the reason why i transfered to alb is that it challenges me to compete to the strong hib and mid grps which dominate atm the server obviously.

I have my reasons for the setup and dont want talk about setup and strategys here.

usually i am favoring more 2 minstrel then 1minst/theu

and dont forget that 2 good hib setups run 2 mentalist with severing tether .

And the beauty of daoc ,there is never the best setup. Each setup requires different playing strategys. I proved so many times ppl who didnt belive my setups. Before uth2 started ppl were talking caster setup would have 0 chance, and guess what setup on hib succeed the most .

If i hopefully find 7 other players with no fear to challenge new ideas, this can be rly strong. And if anyone want come from hib/mid to alb to make this happen,i can wait 1 week,thats np