Well I started the BG at 8am EST with intentions of not logging until we attained the relics. I was thinking it'd take closer to 40hrs to burn out the mids defense but it was only like... 10.

With that said, I am SO SO SO happy you guys left your doors level 1. This woulda been hell otherwise and I probably woulda avoided trying for a 1 day push. Albion sucks to raid cause they actually like... play the game and upgrade doors and care about relics etc. I feel like Mids really don't play as a team or care to have realm-wide goals, which is totally sad to see because it's what makes the game fun. However this is one mans opinion, and we all know opinions are like assholes, we all got one.

And to follow up the funny 8v8 comments (which are obviously blatantly better for midgard atm via tank trains dominating low RR casters) I did that to 2x RR12 and an RR11 on live and quite frankly, I'm sick of 8v8 and I like having this wide array of strategies possible rather than click my assist, stun, nuke buttons while sprinting and kiting. If you honestly think about it, 8v8 is almost always the same process of moves (if you're playing the class right), where as a 40v40 you can have different strategies like 1 group bait as the rest side swipe etc.

This is why I enjoy realm warfare tactics on Uthgard Hibernia. I find 8v8 is mostly twitch reactions/foresight of RAs etc where as large groups can tactically wipe out double their numbers with a proper engage etc. 8v8 can do this too, it's just on a very small scale in comparison.

8v24 is the new 8v8

ithappens414 wrote:8v24 is the new 8v8

Or 8v1...if some elite 8v8 groups roflstomp a poor solo into the ground. Fair fights, eh?

Ya, honestly 8 mans never show any reason to respect soloers/levelers, and generally are the toxic people of the server. I should know, I was one of those people for like 10 years that only 8v8'd and thought everyone else sucked. Here I am a bit older, realizing I was a child that couldn't put much logic together in my own head, I thought it was top of the skill chain to 8v8, but really it's just MMO version of Counter-Strike (but obviously requiring significantly less skill).

I know people will flame my opinion on most 8 mans (keep in mind there are obvious exceptions where an 8 man is really skilled) but it requires minimal strategy compared to syncing multiple groups etc.

Put it this way, Flump still kills greys on sight 8v1 at RR10L1. This alone is proof 8 mans definitely don't have dignity and very few people even respect them and are (generally) going to promote the death of the server if everyone frowns on big group play. I don't mind them grey ganking and I'm not complaining about it, but it feels so good to watch 8 mans squeal like a piggy when 2fgs hit them after they grey gank. We figured they were so strong to kill that grey 8v1 we MUST need 16 or 24 to get them!

Celeny wrote: Put it this way, Flump still kills greys on sight 8v1 at RR10L1. This alone is proof 8 mans definitely don't have dignity and very few people even respect them and are (generally) going to promote the death of the server if everyone frowns on big group play. I don't mind them grey ganking and I'm not complaining about it, but it feels so good to watch 8 mans squeal like a piggy when 2fgs hit them after they grey gank. We figured they were so strong to kill that grey 8v1 we MUST need 16 or 24 to get them!

Flumps Group is not 8v8 only oriented, as Drachengarde is no 8v8 Guild. If someone ask to help out, they will come, no matter what.
And they don`t care if another group adds their fights, thats the lil difference. Don`t think that they care much about loosing a fight.

Celeny wrote:Ya, honestly 8 mans never show any reason to respect soloers/levelers, and generally are the toxic people of the server. I should know, I was one of those people for like 10 years that only 8v8'd and thought everyone else sucked. Here I am a bit older, realizing I was a child that couldn't put much logic together in my own head, I thought it was top of the skill chain to 8v8, but really it's just MMO version of Counter-Strike (but obviously requiring significantly less skill).

I know people will flame my opinion on most 8 mans (keep in mind there are obvious exceptions where an 8 man is really skilled) but it requires minimal strategy compared to syncing multiple groups etc.

Put it this way, Flump still kills greys on sight 8v1 at RR10L1. This alone is proof 8 mans definitely don't have dignity and very few people even respect them and are (generally) going to promote the death of the server if everyone frowns on big group play. I don't mind them grey ganking and I'm not complaining about it, but it feels so good to watch 8 mans squeal like a piggy when 2fgs hit them after they grey gank. We figured they were so strong to kill that grey 8v1 we MUST need 16 or 24 to get them!

Celeny, you clearly a little bit older but bragging about your historical achievements from ages ago shows that you are, unfortunately, not much wiser. Your bragging will stop when you get only 3 full groups with you at some point and get rolled endlessly by mids or albs. When that happens, please take your medals you earned 15 years ago and get back to the top of the food chain. 8x8 requires skill and coordination. each player needs to know his/her role and what to do in certain situation. depending on enemy setup, different strategies involved. being a zerg lead is also not easy. different skills involved here - social skills, communication skills, and of course typing skills.

btw, some high rr players won't like what i will say here but i strongly believe that high rr comes not only from skill (it plays a role yes) but mostly from game time availability. if you are online 10 hours a day and you have no constraints involving family and job and what not, you can die many times and win many times and you will be high RR, no matter what.

I might disagree with Romps on certain ways to do things concerning realm defense but in general we have the same goal - to farm treehuggers and tincan men, to have fun, to keep our guilds alive, to keep realm kicking, and if situation is right, grab relics and try to defend. we did not feel remorsed at all for loosing power relics. in fact, that gives us freedom to do what we want and where we want. while hibs and albs will be duking it out in their realm, we'll be watching and try to take advantage of it.

Whoever thinks that mids are not upgrading doors therefore can't defend keeps and are loosing relics because of that - is 100% wrong. Most of the time during NA, we have 3 groups at most and defending keeps vs 50 hibs or 50 albs , no matter of door level is a waste of time. Moreover, it takes cash to upgrade doors and spending plats upon plats to get to level 10 door only to wake up next morning and having no keep - sorry, not my cup of tea. Nor, do I even have so much cash or most of my guildies. Our objective is to get templated and not do much PvE after. Getting money from RvR just keeps us afloat which is just enough to buy rams etc.
2nd power relic was taken by Euro Mids, who are much more in numbers than us, NAers. We adopt to whatever is thrown at us and not whinning. Things will change, wheel of time will turn and population balance will be reshuffled. I can see mids taking strength relic back and barrage of whining will start how savage triple hits a caster for 600 damage. Just wait and see.

/salute
Vad

Stoertebeker wrote:

ithappens414 wrote:8v24 is the new 8v8

Or 8v1...if some elite 8v8 groups roflstomp a poor solo into the ground. Fair fights, eh?

I have no issue with how people to choose to play this game. I welcome the way the server has evolved. We've adapted before and we will again. The ONLY frustrating thing that I see as a Mid NA time is we could be fighting 50-60 man Alb zergs, 30-40 man Hib zergs, while Mid only has 25 TOTAL 50s online. Not much we can do to compete with that. But again, it's welcomed... game wouldn't be fun without challenge.

Celeny wrote:Ya, honestly 8 mans never show any reason to respect soloers/levelers, and generally are the toxic people of the server. I should know, I was one of those people for like 10 years that only 8v8'd and thought everyone else sucked. Here I am a bit older, realizing I was a child that couldn't put much logic together in my own head, I thought it was top of the skill chain to 8v8, but really it's just MMO version of Counter-Strike (but obviously requiring significantly less skill).

I know people will flame my opinion on most 8 mans (keep in mind there are obvious exceptions where an 8 man is really skilled) but it requires minimal strategy compared to syncing multiple groups etc.

Put it this way, Flump still kills greys on sight 8v1 at RR10L1. This alone is proof 8 mans definitely don't have dignity and very few people even respect them and are (generally) going to promote the death of the server if everyone frowns on big group play. I don't mind them grey ganking and I'm not complaining about it, but it feels so good to watch 8 mans squeal like a piggy when 2fgs hit them after they grey gank. We figured they were so strong to kill that grey 8v1 we MUST need 16 or 24 to get them!

Cool blanket statement. What if I told you that you could 8v8 or 8vWhatever, but also not be dicks and help the realm? /mindblown I know.

I like cake.

ithappens414 wrote:Cool blanket statement. What if I told you that you could 8v8 or 8vWhatever, but also not be dicks and help the realm? /mindblown I know.

You are talking about things like deciding not to defend relics and maximizing your personal RPs instead? Your realm must be very proud of you

Considering the fixed cost of door upgrades and the average wallet size on alb, isn't it less of a burden for them to keep their doors upgraded?

Much less yes..If it is your intent to drain Albion financially you will go broke buying rams before they will go broke repairing/upgrading doors.

There are other ways.




-Glenda

Romu wrote:

ithappens414 wrote:Cool blanket statement. What if I told you that you could 8v8 or 8vWhatever, but also not be dicks and help the realm? /mindblown I know.

You are talking about things like deciding not to defend relics and maximizing your personal RPs instead? Your realm must be very proud of you

Mids can't hold relics during NA time, we lack the #'s.

But I'm guessing you don't play NA or mid so likely have no idea what you're talking about.

Romu wrote:

ithappens414 wrote:Cool blanket statement. What if I told you that you could 8v8 or 8vWhatever, but also not be dicks and help the realm? /mindblown I know.

You are talking about things like deciding not to defend relics and maximizing your personal RPs instead? Your realm must be very proud of you

Ummm, please point to where I said that? I don't recall. Keep pretending you know me though!


edit: What I did say was that people should play this game in whatever way they see as fun. Judging people for how they choose to spend leisure time while playing a video game? Seems silly.

ithappens414 wrote:

Romu wrote:

ithappens414 wrote:Cool blanket statement. What if I told you that you could 8v8 or 8vWhatever, but also not be dicks and help the realm? /mindblown I know.

You are talking about things like deciding not to defend relics and maximizing your personal RPs instead? Your realm must be very proud of you

Ummm, please point to where I said that? I don't recall. Keep pretending you know me though!


edit: What I did say was that people should play this game in whatever way they see as fun. Judging people for how they choose to spend leisure time while playing a video game? Seems silly.

Just read the postings from Romps, he says Power Rangers and Tilt decided to give relics to hibs and farm them while they get them. Sounds opposite of what you post.