Tree wrote:

barto22 wrote:That's why this server doesn't work how we expected. 1.65 was fun in it's day because most people just plain sucked at the game. Going back into the past with the present knowledge is like if human adults stop eating solid food and go back to suckling the teat of yo' mumma. It was great when you were a baby, so surely its just as good now? Nope.

Except that is not entirely true. In 2017 there are some things about 1.65 that dont work out well, but that doesnt mean the overall gameplay and feeling of this patchlevel is bad.
Implementing another BG with these parameters will fundamentally change the way you experience the game and will have nothing to do with the classic DAoC experience most people came here for.

Maybe that's your opinion. But it wouldnt change the classic feeling at all in my opinion.

It certainly will change the game experience, and that's why I think it's a good idea. It will change it for the better and for the most people. Classic has some loose definitions anyway. You seem to think strict adherence to a dated patch level. Others prefer a looser fit like pre-toa with some improvements based on how dated the patch level is.

For example, if you were to remove caledonia and aubermenai then i honestly wouldnt even notice let alone care. Whereas if you were to add a higher level BG then I certainly would notice and I would care. It will actually have an effect of the playerbase where some of the content or missing content to be fair does not. Just because it doesn't appear in the patch notes doesn't mean it's not classic.

The whole argument about "what most people came here for" is really pathetic too. Most people don't even play anymore so I don't see how that even rings true. Of course I am bias because I rarely see the PvE side of things since I hit 50, but that doesn't change the fact that I rarely see new faces around my playtime looking to RvR.

falscheneun wrote:this would just split the playerbase.

The playerbase is already split.

every server had a bg where people would /xp off /rp off idle forever essentially splitting the amount of people who rvr into two chunks that never meet each other.

There is no /xp off or /rp off on Uthgard as far as I know.

I don't see how this would save the server at all. yes, you talk about a rr cap rather than /rp off but as someone already mentioned, if people got kicked out at 5L and then get their asses kicked 24/7 in emain they would just reroll or stop playing at all.

Exactly. People rather reroll or stop playing at all. They are already split. Even if the frontier zone is the only zone to rvr in, they refuse to go, because it's pointless. Why not let them have some fun in the bg's and keep them here?

Satiah wrote:...

how can the playerbase be "already split" into BG players and non-BG players when the highest BG ends mid 30s at 1LX?!

falscheneun wrote:

Satiah wrote:...

how can the playerbase be "already split" into BG players and non-BG players when the highest BG ends mid 30s at 1LX?!

I'm pretty sure that you said, hypothetically, that the options were reroll or quit. But the option to reroll doesn't exist so all we are left with is quit. Which is what's happening now. People are leaving because there is nothing for them above level 24.

barto22 wrote:8v8 arena would never work, there are probably only 2 or 3 groups that would use it at best. The highest RR players on this server didn't get there from 8v8. They just red=dead zerged everything into oblivion with broken mechanics.

Really, because our group has 4 RR7s who only 8v8. Try to say something dumber please.

Ensley03 wrote:

barto22 wrote:8v8 arena would never work, there are probably only 2 or 3 groups that would use it at best. The highest RR players on this server didn't get there from 8v8. They just red=dead zerged everything into oblivion with broken mechanics.

Really, because our group has 4 RR7s who only 8v8. Try to say something dumber please.

Actually he was spot on, there are only 2-3 groups that would be competitive in an 8v8 arena on this server. Running in Buds has warped your overview of the "normal" players RvR experience on this server, regardless of realm. Our group literally just made it to 50 on Alb and we are constantly fighting groups 3-4 RR's above us in Rank. Sure skill comes into play but the RR gap on this particular server does make a significant difference imo. If we were able to get to RR 3 at least in BG's it would have helped some ./shrug

I wouldnt mind a bg before 50 to boost rr, But it had to be after autotraining is finished aka a 49 bg (for being best prepared for real rvr i would love to level in bg all the way) But then Autotrain need to go as many classes then couldnt play as intended. I also would look for a option there you can have 2 specs, with a timer. 5min or so to swap


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Ensley03 wrote:

barto22 wrote:8v8 arena would never work, there are probably only 2 or 3 groups that would use it at best. The highest RR players on this server didn't get there from 8v8. They just red=dead zerged everything into oblivion with broken mechanics.

Really, because our group has 4 RR7s who only 8v8. Try to say something dumber please.

Hahaha

Hahahahaha

Ok mate. You're telling me that you never killed an xper or soloer or random trash pug? Sort yourself out son, have a little think about the shiz that you just said.

That said, I was referring to your group when I mentioned 2-3 groups so grow a pair a get off of the defensive.

If your group went to this 8v8 arena, who else would follow? Flump? Nope. Dyrus? I doubt it. Salt? Maybe. Blood feud? Nope. Njord? Nope. Requiem? Probably not. Most of the people in these groups, who I'm thinking of just from the top of my head - and I know there a whole load more guilds- would much prefer to just stomp bad players and gain RR as opposed to strict 8v8.

Whilst I appreciate that most of these will respect an 8v8, myself included, there is no way they would survive with strictly that policy. And no special zone will fix that. It will be a wasteland with no worthy reward.

BACK TO TOPIC:

I am all in for making the battlegrounds more enjoyable in terms of quick and easy RvR fun:

/xp off (not /rp off!)
add Bindstone

optional: add 2 more battle grounds after Caledonia with max RR 4L0 in last BG

The reason is pretty simple:

Keeping people ingame!

He who is not present cannot switch to the dearly needed Bard / Sorcerer / Shaman who is nowhere to be found for big RvR.

The option of adding another two BGs will supply players with sufficient training and RAs to be able to compete in big RvR which I also consider something desirable.

But for me most important is the ability of BGs to keep people ingame that otherwise would log off!

Fix bg's But if this should help big boy rvr you cant have rp off


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barto22 wrote:

Ensley03 wrote:

barto22 wrote:8v8 arena would never work, there are probably only 2 or 3 groups that would use it at best. The highest RR players on this server didn't get there from 8v8. They just red=dead zerged everything into oblivion with broken mechanics.

Really, because our group has 4 RR7s who only 8v8. Try to say something dumber please.

Hahaha

Hahahahaha

Ok mate. You're telling me that you never killed an xper or soloer or random trash pug? Sort yourself out son, have a little think about the shiz that you just said.

That said, I was referring to your group when I mentioned 2-3 groups so grow a pair a get off of the defensive.

If your group went to this 8v8 arena, who else would follow? Flump? Nope. Dyrus? I doubt it. Salt? Maybe. Blood feud? Nope. Njord? Nope. Requiem? Probably not. Most of the people in these groups, who I'm thinking of just from the top of my head - and I know there a whole load more guilds- would much prefer to just stomp bad players and gain RR as opposed to strict 8v8.

Whilst I appreciate that most of these will respect an 8v8, myself included, there is no way they would survive with strictly that policy. And no special zone will fix that. It will be a wasteland with no worthy reward.

The honest answer is we killed solos/smallmans only in Emain because we theorized that nobody is doing that in Emain unless they're just looking to add fights. We then decided to give them a chance to help the server. We ran past a 3 man of Hibs inside AMG side, then hit a group of Mids outside AMG. That smallman of Hibs then hit us from behind, so now everyone dies in Emain again. This is why soloers and smallmans get ran over; because >50% of them will just turn and add you anyway, so it's safer to clear out the riff raff.

However, we have never zerged or jammed any fights other than a very select few - if we get dodged and see them in a fight, we will hit it, because they decided to be pussies, but that's it.

this bg idea is just pure bullshit because it will divide the rvr popluation...

there need to be ways for low rr's to gain rps other then 8vs8 while still being in the rvr zone so they can participate in rvr but dont need some bg for that
and ppl try to do that atm by zerging at emain just that theres zero direction for any zerg because raiding gets you nowhere
so the better idea would be to introduce some kind of rp's for raiding and even more for defing and also some kind of rp tasks (wich would also promote small man rvr)

Ensley03 wrote:The honest answer is we killed solos/smallmans only in Emain because we theorized that nobody is doing that in Emain unless they're just looking to add fights. We then decided to give them a chance to help the server. We ran past a 3 man of Hibs inside AMG side, then hit a group of Mids outside AMG. That smallman of Hibs then hit us from behind, so now everyone dies in Emain again. This is why soloers and smallmans get ran over; because >50% of them will just turn and add you anyway, so it's safer to clear out the riff raff.

However, we have never zerged or jammed any fights other than a very select few - if we get dodged and see them in a fight, we will hit it, because they decided to be pussies, but that's it.

Polish it up however you wish, it's still just as much bullsh*t as I suspected. You caa try to act like you play by your funky rules, but you don't, so just be quiet and stop digging yourself into a hole. So, as you put it, "Try to say something dumber please".

You sound jealous bro.