Foneb wrote:Its something that troubles me as a hib aswell simply because i actually want to play enchanter in rvr later :-/

This is my sentiment as well. I am certainly concerned with the lack of love tanks and stealthers get in hib. I've started my own hero because of this and actually got a good group rolling last night. Was able to get a ton of folks and when I had to go, invited an enchanter and they started focus pulling.

Sure, I wish there was a way that a tank could hold multiple mobs easier than a pet, even if it's just the same spell, but just never seems to be the case. Tanks and stealthiers certainly need some love in Hib, hoping these are all beta issues but time will tell.

Give some love to your local Tank or Stealther!

I haven't tried hib on Uth 2.0 but i remember in any realm the puller send his pet passive in a spot of aggro mobs so they don't spread, different when u command your pet to attack the target.
I dont get your point.
About tanks i think the same, sooner or later they'll be necessary to farm template stuff, so no worries.

Nef Melody wrote:

Shinyuka wrote:tanks will never be able to compete with hib focus pull grps... even with sc and buffs, you wont be able to tank in the way the pet does. not only get you hit harder, you also have more problems of holding aggro vs multiple mobs (and plz no "you have to be skilled then" statements - that would be ignorant). ofc there are situations where having actual tanks are better, but those are very rare.

It's only due to Uthgards not properly working BAF system. Once you attack a mob with your ench pet in a larger grp of people the other adds should spread randomly onto grp members. Idk how uthgard handles this but it's quite weird, most of the BAF mobs go directly onto the pet.
If it would be working as livelike then you would have a really hard time getting aggro onto the pet in the first place, because it frequently misses vs red+ con mobs, whereas tanks can easily taunt.
Once you've healed a grp member without the mobs hitting the pet with dmg shield before you'll never loose the aggro again because a blue pet cannot take it

i dont agree..talking about late game (and sometimes early game too), most (not all) mobs get ranged pulled, coz they dont give grp bonus otherwise, so they DO spread randomly onto grp members... therefore, the ench and the puller have to work together, in order to get all the mobs on the pet. runners can be mezzed, attacked by the pet once, and aggro it. if you HAVE to heal before the pet got em all, there is still amnesia to reset them.

the sole mission of a tank is to guard the the bomb or sometimes help with out of control mobs.. on most spots however, if ench + puller know what they are doing - you are quite obsolete. thats not only sad, but boring too..


some mobs, however, seem to really like to attack the pet at the beginning, if it runs towards or near them, even if they actually ran to another grp member (you can tell by direction they ran to, and they way the suddenly attack the pet)... like some kind of proximity aggro... if that can be proven to not be live (1.65) like, we could open an issue and devs may change that. this might make it a LITTLE harder for petpull grps with bad coordination to maintain a good kill speed and therefore change something of their invite policy..

reefe wrote:I haven't tried hib on Uth 2.0 but i remember in any realm the puller send his pet passive in a spot of aggro mobs so they don't spread, different when u command your pet to attack the target.

If you do that mobs won't give grp bonus

Holy ****** such a fount of knowledge !

Nef Melody wrote:

reefe wrote:I haven't tried hib on Uth 2.0 but i remember in any realm the puller send his pet passive in a spot of aggro mobs so they don't spread, different when u command your pet to attack the target.

If you do that mobs won't give grp bonus

While that last statement is true it is completely irrelevant for focus pull groups in comparison to classical tank pull groups:

1) With a focus pull group you are killing a lot faster.

AND

2) You are doing so with less people, e.g. more exp / grp member.

Therefore even a correct BAF would not change anything for focus pulling because it is completely irrelevant for it.