Question for albs and hibs!
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I think someone nailed it - Honey Badgers
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I have to agree. I have been in TS with guys who WANT to come out and RvR, but cant get anywhere near enough people to compete with the Mid zerg. To be fair, this is a problem that rolls around for awhile from realm to realm. For a month or 2 it will be a Hib zerg fest, then it switch to Alb, but I will admit that over the last year I would guess Midgard is the biggest culprit of this. I will admit that they are alot more "pug" friendly but alot of that has to do with the fact that the group set up's on Midgard are easier to run. Basically, push, assist, tank train, and spam celerity. The other realms dont have quite such an easy time making a Pug work. Then when you have a group of RR11+'s killing every single thing in sight that is really not encouraging to players to come back out and fight again.  |
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Well, not everything here is true. NW plays a very good tank group and well, Alb tank groups are in general tougher than Mid tank groups. Their tanks have more utility, any Alb tank is way harder to kill than a zerker and so on. They got a couple of really good players and know how to play tank group, so atm they are for sure one of the best groups out there. That being said, am I the only person that remembers them zerging everything in jamtland mountains and uppland/dodens. They killed levelers, solo players, small groups till like rr6-7 and now they pretend to be some fair 8v8 group, come on xD. I remember leveling my merc and seeing Byun's qq in the myth alliance(when they were still there). I can't quote the exact words, but it was something like this, and in this exact same tone(like he's some mafia boss that decides who bites the dust and who stays alive): "Man, I am trying to be generous and give these Prime guys a chance to play fair, but all they do is add on our fights and zerg around." Besides, how many times have we seen Birnalb kill 10 levelers in dodens before bed time xD? As for TI, they are mostly fair yes, but they are also known to kill soloers and yell: "He's a known zerg leader" on TS(although my experience with TI is that they are fair in 8v8 and not tards) . And that's fine, if you play this game, you have to accept the fact that everyone thinks differently and sometimes even fair players are damn bored of roaming for 20 mins with no inc and they kill some soloer just to be able to laugh on TS or to try to make him build a group. MB was also fair for some years, then they started the occupy Midgard campaign and there we saw how abuse of narcotics can lead to very dumb ideas and situations. After their idea to have entire Mid as one group that will roam around and kill everything, they started zerging everything, no matter what realm they play. However, my good friend Woody said something that is very true: "Trust me, all these guys that are rr10 and pretend to be fair have been zerging and adding at one point. NOBODY IS 100% FAIR." Well anyway, he's got screenshots and fraps of some "known fair soloers adding fights on regular basis, when they didn't know someone is close with camo up and watching. That's only one more reason why I totally respect DG, they are 99% good people, they don't give a ****** about a person's skill or "known/unknown" player status if they want to fill the group. They don't even care what setup they run and are for the most part mature people. Most other "known" groups are a bunch of whiny ****** that were breastfeeded until age 10, watched soap operas with their mothers instead of climbing trees and having adventures like other kids, so the universe punished them and made them nerds. Look at Roundhouse for example. A really great player and for sure among 5 toughest solo players around, but he is still immature and can't accept the fact that by being a visible solo you risk a lot and you need to make your peace with the fact you will get zerged a lot. When MB guys played on mid, we always zerged him for fun, because we know he's an elitist asshole that asks people to fill out a ****** application form before they go in his RvR groups. Nobody of the MB guys ever touched him, cause supposedly he is RL friend of some of them and has access to accounts of at least one person, so they were afraid he will delete their items or do some similar bullshit. However, they laughed on TS when we zerged him. I mean, what kind of a little ****** do you have to be to cry like that and threaten people you will do ****** with their accounts if they don't leave you alone? Well, the list goes on and on. There is maybe 10 solo players and maybe one or two groups that really avoid adding, zerging, and try to instruct people in their guilds not to do that ******...everyone else wanted easy rp's and took them at some point, multiple times. If you zerg and add less than someone else, you're still not any better, at least guilds like DG admit it and don't care, they play for fun and don't pretend to be "fair", so at least they are not hypocrites. "He was concerned only with the naked fundamentals of life. The warm intimacies of small, kindly things, the sentiments and delicious trivialities that make up so much of civilized men's lives were meaningless to him. A wolf was no less a wolf because a whim of chance caused him to run with the watch-dogs. Bloodshed and violence and savagery were the natural elements of the life Conan knew; he could not, and would never, understand the little things that are so dear to civilized men and women." |
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Well put Ivann and I agree. Hell, I freely admit that I used to add and zerg all the time on my ranger when I first started on this server. I agree with Woody that 99% of the people that claim to be "solo" or "fair" players have added or zerg'd at some point on the server. I also agree that DG has alot of very cool people in it. Even before I played on Midgard I always liked the posts of Holsten and found most of the guys in the guild to be very laid back. I still add on occasion with a toon, but its normally in retaliation for something done earlier. I've got my list of people that are KOS and it doesnt really even bother me if a player add's me or zergs me. I just put em on the list and try and do my best to show them what it feels like to be added/zerg'd or whatever. Absolute worst case scenario, I log off and go watch TV or read a book.
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I'm curious too about that "Uthgard thing".. Maybe i can understand alb kite pug that cant last enough (due to ppl left/newbie) since could be more hard to play than a "normal" tank setup, but on hib should be even more easy than mid to build a tank pug.. but still not many out.. I think the main problem is that on alb/hib are missing the "group leaders", i mean people that can set up a group and roam when there is action out, thing that on Midgard is quite normal see someone in LFG chat that is looking for more.. Ofc im speaking about <PUGs> not set gruops (or known ppl that avoid using /lfg chat ^^) Lately Keep raiding are building some pugs on hib, but they dont last more than 2 incs, and go DF or somewhere else ^^ We need some dotto/reallydirty for each realm to keep action alive on each realm  Edit: i also recall a year ago when Roundhouse/Nayeh were building pugs, but sadly the stopped ^^ (on albion i cant remember a "usual group leader".. maybe maelle, but we are going back to a lot of time ago!) There was a time when Uthgard 1.0 existed and maaaany toons and arrpees arose... but now:
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i don't care about the fun the other realms and their pugs at all, that is true. And in everyday rvr i don't care too much for the mid pugs either, that is also true. I get millions of tells everyday if we want to run together with this or that grp, my answer is most of the time: just follow and add if you want, we don't care. And i answer every tell asking me where we are. If they see us fighting everyone is welcome to add, that is all i do for the mid pug rvr. But i also get a LOT of ty tells for this simple behaviour everyday. As long as there is no reason we don't stick or even wait for our following grps if they rebuff for example. I don't want to lead zergs, sometimes i want and then i do so, but not in everyday rvr. And we are just one of the pugs atm, and far away from a rr11 gank squad. we have most of the time 2-3 RR11+ on such important positions as zerker or warri (i had all important RA with rr 10 already, if i have mob 5 or mob 4 will not decide fights...), the rest is atm RR 4-6 usually. If TI or req would play like we do it would get a lot more zergy in emain, as they are a far bigger threat than our grp atm... but a lot of pug players like to zerg, so i wouldn't see this as bad for pugs. For sure pug rvr would also work if there would be enough pugs of all 3 realms out or the high rr guild grps would spare the pugs, but both is not gonna happen soon here i guess, so the red is dead is the more simple way to bring fun for pugs. |
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Honestly I wouldnt mind low rr groups run 16 slot.. just get some more groups out
 - Honey Badgers
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When I started on Uthgard this whole thing just even started on this freeshard. This whole fairfight-mentality. It was just a matter of time when people began to burnout. Those nicefighters nowadays are for how long on this server? The only ones I remember who player really long on Uthgard - for 5 years or something like this - are (ex-)members of Anguish or members of Rare. And some people of GDRW and EdN. Even members of guild begin to change the guild from time to time. Shafiria - for instance - was always a player who was more interrested into 8vs8 fights. Its still like this nowadays. What Woody said is a simple generalization. The majority of RR10+ players were 8vs8 players because it was situational. This whole 8vs8-community thing on Uthgard just started and became larger. People would leave, burnout or get interrested into that 8vs8 thing. I remember Nightwatch running for a really long time in Emain ... Even crippling in the begining. Nowadays they are really good players. But I don't expect so much stamina from every player on this server who wants to play in a guildgroup or even a simple Pick up Group. DAoC is really hardcore and wiping the whole evening can be considered as a loss of time and frustration pretty fast too. When Uthgard started to envolve (150 players during primetime in Agramon) there was no "Don't add"-mentality. Nothing like this was adapted from live servers. A community just formed and people started to rethink the whole combatsituation: "Well, let's fight them, even if its a threeway." There were a LOT of similiar situations like nowadays. And people were not p*ssed off. They just thought: "Well, lol, this is RvR." When the community formed, 8vs8-mentality was settling on this server too. Of course Agramon was rather instant-action along with porters than running 5-6 minutes to the action plus buffing and rebuffing. It was even easier to encounter a group. And yeah, of course, MB and many other guildgroups were those people who shouted "DON'T FOOKIN' ADD OUR FIGHT". And I don't know why I should pretend it. Time changes and why are people getting surprised? Do they expect players to play this game like this forever? I can say that MB got a core which cared less and less about what happened outside the guild year after year. That community became a small manifest even outside of DAoC. I really love to see low RR zergs. At least its some action on the battlefield. Thats the intention of RvR. Players helping each others if they don't see any different possibility to fight their enemies. Players have to find their own playstyle while they have to deal with other ones. Its just hilarious to the depths when people cry about low RR zergs. Switch to an 8vs8 server or an arena game if you don't like it. I want to see an RvR alive instead of a poor Emain-arena if its possible. We had something like this long enough in Agramon. Thats what DAoC needs else it seems to die anyway. Further I belief that a lot of players just adapt that whole 8vs8-behaviour while they don't become 8vs8-nicefighter. Getting added is not a positive thing for the player himself. Of course its annoying ... And when that player knows how to avoid to be added by the majority of the server then he uses it. - - - - I'm not really surprised why DG is not involved into that 8vs8-"community". Why should Holsten, Galandrield and the rest care about any of those people on this server when their guild is doing like ... everything together? DG seems to be a big guild along with people who know each other in reallife. And even more specific: Why should they take the game/server that serious as some of those "so called 8vs8-elitists"? Its even easier to compare such a guild to "random" players without a connection on Uthgard sitting for 3hrs in front of Druim Ligen spamming "LOOKING FOR RVR GROUP!" aylwynn warden
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first of all u got a free like coz im to stoned to click it seems, imo the answer is that mid have more randoms willing to rvr than other realms, although population charts show it to be fairly equal in my experience there is many groups of pve / casual players on alb / hib that dnt intend to rvr when they play, where as almost all the mids ive met in the past are more than willing to do some rvr during their playtime. it only takes 1 guy to say omg lots of enemies emain and WALA ! u got urself a mid zerg  http://i.imgur.com/2mhdzsu.jpg RR5 Ownage!
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Ivann killed it! Tbh. just zerg, add, everything if you like, if you don't well then leave it. But the "older" you get on uthgard the less you give a ******. Prime was zerging adding till rr7 then they turned elitish ******. But well who cares! JUST ZERG, ADD - and ALWAYS add Primes + Smokeys  |
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Very few of the elitists crawled there the hard way, they either:
1) Added till RR7+ 2) Had friends who carried them to RR7+ 3) Started out early when competition was much smaller (no high RR around) 4) Rolled as a whole group, or nearly a fg Very few formed complete pugs, without knowing high RR people, and kept going out despite being rolled countless of times by the high RR groups. |
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I've seen some who didn't, but they then belonged on some other part of the list... |
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In my opinion there's nothing wrong with adding pugs or zergs. Not everyone has the time to play 24/7 and have a consistent guild group to compete with the other consistent guild groups. Although sometimes you will get lucky, beating r11 Requiem grp with a random pug was quite hilarious.
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We are new to Mid and roaming in a 8 men group (actually not all 50, most still with epic armor and mainly rr3).
If you are a hib or alb group of low rr like we are and looking for good fights against us , please tell me so we may agree on an area to roam far from the rr10 groups. We would be glad to let those high rr groups fight themselves and find more interesting fights againsts some others (purple cloaks alb group , hibs dyed in rose ...). Gaps in realm ranks and elitism have already killed RvR on other servers before. To me it seems to be close here too : when you have more people in Thid than in Frontier you can consider that something is not going the good way.  |
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