dinj wrote:you forgot join operations bro

Again someone forget JO!

Finalement wrote:If some guys here would fulfill their idiotic dream of pure 8vs8 duels there would be the same picture EVERY evening. 1 or 2 grps of every realm fighting a stupid incest fight.

though i agree with you in general, i gotta disagree in this point:

if the 50+ mids, albs and the 30+ hibs would run in separate grps of 8 there'd be a lot of 8v8 going on...ofc, some of these grps would be better then others, but then again there'd be so much inc all the time, that the high rr grps would lose much more often, then currently...if you have inc every 5 min it's impossible to have anything but purge3 and charge2+ up each fight...bof, sos, ip, purge2, pr, etc. etc. will all be down in 2 of 3 fights...and with 5+ fgs from every realm "roaming" the frontiers, let's assume they'd not be adding, there'd be a very different picture every evening...

however, 40v40 fights are fun too, as long as they are rather balanced..

Ah yes, "dont tell us how to play" on one side
"zerg is awesome, 8v8 is idiotic" on the other.

I will give the Mid's credit in that not even 1-1.5 years ago all we seen was the Midgard was the dead realm and had little to nobody besides DG playing. Now they are the "zerg" realm and seem to always have the easiest time putting together zerg's to go out to the frontiers. I congratulate them on that, I truly do. However, to say that this "saved the server" is a HUGE overstatement. How quickly you guys forget when Hibernia did the exact same thing over a year ago, or how Albion ruled the server with an iron fist 2 years ago.

Several factors made this change. The biggest is that its now winter. People stay in more now and are not out enjoying the nice weather. Blue will tell you that every winter the #'s jump up. The 2nd biggest factor, imo, is that people have played all the "new" games and realised what everyone said before they came out, and that is that these new games cannot simulate what DAoC RvR offers. Now some of them are starting to come back. I would say after that the next biggest reason is the change to tasks to keep raids and the raising of rp's from taking keeps. This change gives the "zergs" a focus point and something to go after and it puts all the zergs on a common mindset.

In 3 years on this server I can say I've seen every realm go threw long periods with them being on top and being the "zerg" realm that is going to kill the server. To say that because the Mids happen to be the ones doing it now that we owe them thanks for saving the server is laughable, but what Midgard has done show's that any realm can turn it around if they wish to.

Jezzmin wrote:though i agree with you in general, i gotta disagree in this point:

if the 50+ mids, albs and the 30+ hibs would run in separate grps of 8 there'd be a lot of 8v8 going on...ofc, some of these grps would be better then others, but then again there'd be so much inc all the time, that the high rr grps would lose much more often, then currently...if you have inc every 5 min it's impossible to have anything but purge3 and charge2+ up each fight...bof, sos, ip, purge2, pr, etc. etc. will all be down in 2 of 3 fights...and with 5+ fgs from every realm "roaming" the frontiers, let's assume they'd not be adding, there'd be a very different picture every evening...

however, 40v40 fights are fun too, as long as they are rather balanced..

100% true... but the domination of some 8v8 grps start when they all play so "fair" and never add and do not even inc other grps just after the enemy had a fight, so they have time to rebuff and reg some RA after every fight.

I see why the dominating 8vs8 grps (that also contain 80% of the forum trolls here) like to make it look as if this would be the best solution for the server, while it is only the best solution for them.

RonELuvv wrote:I will give the Mid's credit in that not even 1-1.5 years ago all we seen was the Midgard was the dead realm and had little to nobody besides DG playing. Now they are the "zerg" realm and seem to always have the easiest time putting together zerg's to go out to the frontiers. I congratulate them on that, I truly do. However, to say that this "saved the server" is a HUGE overstatement. How quickly you guys forget when Hibernia did the exact same thing over a year ago, or how Albion ruled the server with an iron fist 2 years ago.

Several factors made this change. The biggest is that its now winter. People stay in more now and are not out enjoying the nice weather. Blue will tell you that every winter the #'s jump up. The 2nd biggest factor, imo, is that people have played all the "new" games and realised what everyone said before they came out, and that is that these new games cannot simulate what DAoC RvR offers. Now some of them are starting to come back. I would say after that the next biggest reason is the change to tasks to keep raids and the raising of rp's from taking keeps. This change gives the "zergs" a focus point and something to go after and it puts all the zergs on a common mindset.

In 3 years on this server I can say I've seen every realm go threw long periods with them being on top and being the "zerg" realm that is going to kill the server. To say that because the Mids happen to be the ones doing it now that we owe them thanks for saving the server is laughable, but what Midgard has done show's that any realm can turn it around if they wish to.

+ no changes in the last month that are the sort like 'remove barrels' people start to forget about it and live with it

Yep, people will always adapt and learn to live with these changes, but that takes time.

Jezzmin wrote:

Finalement wrote:If some guys here would fulfill their idiotic dream of pure 8vs8 duels there would be the same picture EVERY evening. 1 or 2 grps of every realm fighting a stupid incest fight.

though i agree with you in general, i gotta disagree in this point:

if the 50+ mids, albs and the 30+ hibs would run in separate grps of 8 there'd be a lot of 8v8 going on...ofc, some of these grps would be better then others, but then again there'd be so much inc all the time, that the high rr grps would lose much more often, then currently...if you have inc every 5 min it's impossible to have anything but purge3 and charge2+ up each fight...bof, sos, ip, purge2, pr, etc. etc. will all be down in 2 of 3 fights...and with 5+ fgs from every realm "roaming" the frontiers, let's assume they'd not be adding, there'd be a very different picture every evening...

however, 40v40 fights are fun too, as long as they are rather balanced..

Well, I won't disagree you there. If all those mids/Albs/Hibs WOULD do that. But I see it realistic. If this was a pure 8vs8 Server those grps would simply STOP and only a very small amont would join the 8vs8 grp. Imagine there would be a fight withtan average rr4/5 grp vs Requiem. Let's be honest here, 90% of them have 0% chance. Sometimes such a grp doesn't need any RAs (even for a slightly higher PuG grp).
Imagine now that a second grp, maybe rr5/6 would inc. Same procedure.

It's simply in most cases a fact, that good grps with higher RR can screw more than 2 fgs if they come one after another.

Sorry for OT, just wanted to clear my point out here

@Ron: I'm here for about 4 or 5 years now. And you're absoloutley right, there was AWAYS the underdog and the "zerg" (aka overpopulated) realm. But as far as I remember it was never the case that the underdog (hibernian here) can form a 4 grp hibzerg!
For me it feels like (important phrase here fellows!) like it's more Endgame action than ever.

true, the action in rvr didn't really go down in the months with lower pop (summer) and now increased to a level i have not seen so far since i play here (3,5 years). I think we have a higher % of players in engame rvr than ever... at least felt.

nice to see the same discussions every few weeks. i m pretty sure this time you ll all come to a final solution

Xacrag wrote:

dinj wrote:you forgot join operations bro

Again someone forget JO!

Because no one care about them, stop believe you are important xD

The Besorger/schwarze legion/whatever all these guilds are called Zerg is absolutely no problem. Challenging, but not impossible for a good 8men, and a good reason for small hib/alb zergs to form aswell.
Everything is fine aslong as DG isn't harrassing the rvr community with their trash gameplay which has been the case for the last ~7 days.

It has always been the same with DG if they started zerging. They either forced enemies to build a larger zerg, because they simply needed more numbers against an rr10+ grp within the zerg, or made them log out.
If albs/hibs managed to bring a bigger zerg somehow, DG logged out after 1-2 wipes and made the mid zerg fail horribly.

Akip wrote:+ no changes in the last month that are the sort like 'remove barrels' people start to forget about it and live with it

true, but there's always been many visible or invisble changes in the past months, that majorly increased the population...had a chat with blue yesterday and he told me that after simplifying the "how to connect" guide a lot and allowing 1.113 connections, the population steadily increased and the social-networking-feature on the portal also helped advertising the server even more, without the staff having any work...also the uth-mods are now installed automatically via daoc portal, which again makes connecting to the server much easier...

result: some months ago blue told me, that there's about 10 new users every day in the forum but no new players...it appears there's still 10 new players per day on the forum but now some of them actual find their way to the actual game

so it was not all midgard but also the staff improving the basic conditions of the server and the community in general

Akip wrote:+ no changes in the last month that are the sort like 'remove barrels' people start to forget about it and live with it

live with it without playing some classes ofc