Daene wrote:it cant be so hard for hibs you dont need to use ports and can take a horse... in the time albs/mids wait for port you will be often again in emain

this discussion is for low pop times, when albs and mids ve 2min timer and hibs dont get any benefit. so no, they dont ve the same timer to get to emain in that case.

The problem is that we can't be afk in that time and have to wait out the pointless RvR sickness before buffing up and then being alert all the way to Emain; wheras albs and mids wipe and wait on the porter while doing other things. So in addition to the 2min sickness (which is incorrectly implemented for the targeted patch setting btw), we have another 5mins or so until we get back to where the action is. Meaning there are at least 7 -10 minutes of downtime involved. But even if an organized group can minimize that time sink, imagine how much fun it is for random groups. 1 wipe = 15mins or so of amazing boredom inc. Wipe twice and you spent half an hour doing pretty much nothing. It also means that there is going to be one less group in Emain for a signficant amount of time - whcih means less inc and more boredom for the few enemies that are waiting there. Overall a not-so-great situation to grow the RvR population.

/edit: The long port timer is nonesense imho; Uthgard doesn't even come close to the population to make 'too much action' an issue. I suspect the main concern here is the stealther population at AMG, that would produce even more RR10s if the ways to their hunting grounds got shortened. But it is unfortunate that groups are punished as a result.

People are caring way way to much about the solo perspective. Also, the only timesink for hibs to inc is the sickness, you actually have alot of fights in gorge / breif.

From a solo persepctive I prefer the long times going back to AMG. Gives me time to get my camo back up and my RA's back up. Personally I dont really care either way and the funny thing is that this has allready been brought up by Blue and said that they were probably going to bring some sort of port system to the frontiers with the frontier change.

Spivo wrote:

Lasastard wrote:OF was never designed for the kind of player numbers we have to deal with on Uth, so to recreate the gaming experience of early daoc, the zone needs to be smaller; I don't think there is any argument against that (apart from some purists that put agendas over common sense). Porter chains are a good start but ultimately OF had a number of issues that Mythic tried to rectify with NF (keeps, porter chains, less disastrous zone design, and so on) - so rather than trying to fiddle with the OF map to NF-ify it, I personally would prefer NF where such measures (like flexible active zone size through porter chains) are already built-on (and patch-appropriate ^^). But as others already said, the porters will probably come, nothing one can do until then.

Hear you brother
Make a poll on NF vs. OF

I agree with this. Let the players vote. Sounds better all around.

Odins Gate rvr ftw

Ginsu wrote:I agree with this. Let the players vote. Sounds better all around.

hehe, slightly misquoted
I meant it as a hypothetical thing. Staff has already stated that OF has come to stay, so we wont get a poll anyway.

My point was just, that we can't look at the server as if it's OF, as in what it used to be on Live, we're fooling ourselves, as many things were very different back then. For one, number of active RvR people, but also the mentality of people. On Live people would go out and defend frontier keeps, not only due to rp's, but also due to realm-pride.

So we (well, those who run the server ) needs to be open to changes that are not Live-like, because it'll never be Live-like.
Sure the setting will be Live-like, but the inhabitants in the setting are very different.
For example, if Marilyn Monroe had lived today, I'm not sure a birthday song from the 86 year old woman would be making men steamy. A lot of things has changed in the time passed

Ginsu wrote:

Spivo wrote:

Lasastard wrote:OF was never designed for the kind of player numbers we have to deal with on Uth, so to recreate the gaming experience of early daoc, the zone needs to be smaller; I don't think there is any argument against that (apart from some purists that put agendas over common sense). Porter chains are a good start but ultimately OF had a number of issues that Mythic tried to rectify with NF (keeps, porter chains, less disastrous zone design, and so on) - so rather than trying to fiddle with the OF map to NF-ify it, I personally would prefer NF where such measures (like flexible active zone size through porter chains) are already built-on (and patch-appropriate ^^). But as others already said, the porters will probably come, nothing one can do until then.

Hear you brother
Make a poll on NF vs. OF

I agree with this. Let the players vote. Sounds better all around.

Lol, this was allready done once and we see how well that has worked. Here is the thread created when NF were implemented asking for OF system: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=10985 Here is the thread that actually had the vote that secured a transition from NF to OF: viewtopic.php?f=67&t=11111

Do we really think that if we switched that in 2-3 years people wouldnt be on here complaining about how OF was so superior to NF?

Ron, the pic of the greener grass on the other side would fit perfectly Encountered it often, unfortunately every transition has a lot of work attached that goes wasted so I'm not a friend of changing to NF any time soon.

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The Hib port is in the queue of todo's. It takes time, until then take what is given.

Blue wrote:Ron, the pic of the greener grass on the other side would fit perfectly Encountered it often, unfortunately every transition has a lot of work attached that goes wasted so I'm not a friend of changing to NF any time soon.

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The Hib port is in the queue of todo's. It takes time, until then take what is given.

Can we move switch the action from amg to mmg please? it's boring trave from mtk to amg it's not equal!!!111one

LiveLike

Just go MMG.

I assume if Hibs are going to get a port to Emain from Druim Ligen, then mids can expect a port from Svasud to Jamtland Mountains?

The only reason I see emain as such a popular RvR location is because AMG is a semi central location in hib frontiers relative to all 3 realms and that it is clear, lush and green (maybe attractive to humans). Of course, AMG/Emain is just THE NORM for where people ideally think to go.. wish it wasn't this way ^^

I personally would love to see Hadrians Wall or Odins gate used much more, but its an unreliable source of rps for those of us who don't want to wait around for inc. ><

Its many points why ppl go to emain and not to odins or hadrian, and ppl have figured it out already in beta phase

Emain has a huge area of grey/green mobs, so no agro. +++
OG has lots of orange+ mobs, a Boss mob you risk hitting (noobs risk it...), white white white which burns out your eyes, and trees/hills in plenty ---
Hadrians has some green/blue mobs, but a very nice flat terrain, and of course Taco Bell, which always draws customers. ++

But one thing that sets Emain apart, is also the zone which borders it.
Breifine also has a very nice terrain, with few nasty agro mobs you risk running by (if you stick to main road) +
Jamtland is white!!! again, but also has some pretty nice terrain, with lots of open space with few agro mobs. +
Penn. Mt.... omg... it's like it was created by a madman, and then implemented by the madman's even madder brother... I'm surprised it's possible to fit that many hills into so little space! And agro mobs every where, missile, melee, long agro range, you have it all! ---------

That is why Emain is the place, it's both a great RvR zone, but it also borders a pretty okay RvR zone.