dear brashear, all i was trying to say is, scout is worth to play as any other char on this server, have fun,


kraehe

Don't got many screenshots saved on my pc but here are those what i found

Since I've got both scout and ranger at 50, I can confirm that scouts will have a much harder time (especially solo) than rangers. My ranger was melee until 4L2, with only 12 + 14 points in bow, did more damage on average than my scout did with 50+15 (assuming no charges/pots on either).

Why? Simple - the ranger pathfinding spec line. Red d/q buff (meaning I run with 309 dex and 268 qui before pots/base buffs), red damage add. Speccing the scout down to 35+15 and the ranger up to 35+14 shows very, very little difference in base damage (as in, before buffs), but the ranger's buffs will make for significantly higher damage shots AND at a higher rate of fire. In addition, even with the same spec in bow and the ranger's lower melee skills (due to 48 pathfinding vs. 42 shield), the ranger will outperform the scout in melee, especially when the target can spec shield or parry (celtic dual and the aforementioned selfbuffs). The only advantage a scout ever gets is a 9s anytime stun that MIGHT be enough (with quick reflexes and d/q charges) for 2 critshots ...if it's not purged.

Things were different before the volley nerf because the old "non-AE-cast" volley meant a scout could slam, set the ground target via macro, sprint to 500 units (min range) and unleash hell. And yes, that did work on live! The to-hit chance per arrow was lower than it was for a standard shot, but if there was only ONE target in the GTAE, it would be the target for all arrows, not just one. This, in fact, was my personal reason to not ever play the scout solo again.

Sumosan wrote:dear brashear, all i was trying to say is, scout is worth to play as any other char on this server, have fun,

Yes, but it's lot of frustration and the players who still play at level 50 can be identified by the bitterness of their post.

HulkGris wrote:Yes, but it's lot of frustration and the players who still play at level 50 can be identified by the bitterness of their post.

Is it that obvious? I mean... yeah, getting it to 5L9 solo was hard enough, but having it nerfed afterwards (to a point where volley, a regularly-used ability on live, becomes completely useless here) does cause some bitterness. Imagine you start chanting endu, only to see it no longer affects all of your group, but only the group member closest to you :p

Well a scout just critshoted me :
He is rr4 and iam temped
EDIT : He shotted me on the head, i wear a cloth hat

Fortyseven wrote:[...] The to-hit chance per arrow was lower than it was for a standard shot, but if there was only ONE target in the GTAE, it would be the target for all arrows, not just one. [...]

Trishin just pointed out to me that it still DOES work like that. Volunteers for testing, drop me a line in #uthgard!

EDIT:
Thanks to Ori for a quick test. I was either extremely unlucky or there was a post-fix fix (ouch), but the multiple hits on volley are confirmed working now:
http://imageup.fr/uploads/1348925642.jpeg

what does this means, volley works as it did before? or its below 50% still to hit your salves? because what i'm always wondering since the fix, i hit with volley4 1time from 5 salves, and several rangers (littleluc, tzaaa) hitting me with volley and i stand in a rain of arrows, while they hit 4/5 or 5/5 salves....
any ideas?


(that much for the bitterness... )


and yes, i did /callgm, i tried to send some screens...but no response from gm's

Most of time i hit only 1 or 2 from the 5 salves, this screen was just for show up u can go higher sometime

Scout will never be good as a ranger. But as a scout you have a HUGE advantage, unlimited inc! I will say from a hib stealther standpoint the inc can be few and far between considering 4+ rangers at AMG at any given moment. If its truly the class you enjoy, play it and have fun! Albs really could use some more stealthers to counter zerg. I say do it and ill see you at AMG
Some advice you may want to find a minstrel or infil to duo with at low RR.

I still think, BOW spec hunter and SCout will beat a ranger bow spec in 1v1, the hunter got the pet for rupt, the scout got the shield for block and slam. The only thing that make ranger better than the 2 other is the melee spec, that most of rangers run

Orihiime wrote:I still think, BOW spec hunter and SCout will beat a ranger bow spec in 1v1, the hunter got the pet for rupt, the scout got the shield for block and slam. The only thing that make ranger better than the 2 other is the melee spec, that most of rangers run

the self buffs that a ranger gets to even out not having access to the slower bows (5.5 as apposed to 5.7) combined with having access to the 5.7 speed bow that the class was never supposed to have access to tends to make their bow damage higher than it is supposed to be.

back on live, the scout had the longest range, and the slow bow, the hunter had the slower bow, but range was short (pet to even up the class) and ranger had fast bow, medium range, and self buffs to bring damage up with bow, and help with the melee.

my personal opinion about what what gives the ranger an unfair advantage over the other 2 archers is the access to the slow bow (should be 5.5 speed instead of 5.7) and having self buffs that were intended to balance the archer out with the other 2 archers that had access to the slow bow.

grumbolt wrote:

Orihiime wrote:I still think, BOW spec hunter and SCout will beat a ranger bow spec in 1v1, the hunter got the pet for rupt, the scout got the shield for block and slam. The only thing that make ranger better than the 2 other is the melee spec, that most of rangers run

the self buffs that a ranger gets to even out not having access to the slower bows (5.5 as apposed to 5.7) combined with having access to the 5.7 speed bow that the class was never supposed to have access to tends to make their bow damage higher than it is supposed to be.

back on live, the scout had the longest range, and the slow bow, the hunter had the slower bow, but range was short (pet to even up the class) and ranger had fast bow, medium range, and self buffs to bring damage up with bow, and help with the melee.

my personal opinion about what what gives the ranger an unfair advantage over the other 2 archers is the access to the slow bow (should be 5.5 speed instead of 5.7) and having self buffs that were intended to balance the archer out with the other 2 archers that had access to the slow bow.

So why every ranger are melee specced ? sorry but i dont have any chance with my bow spec vs a hunter or a scout that play decently

your bow gives higher damage than it should without speccing in it due to it being slower, and you having self buffs.

grumbolt wrote: ...

i am pretty sure if u give a scout to tzaaa after he got some rr's, he is going to kick a.s.s. like he doing with ranger (not because h e is good, just because he is well used play bow kite tactic).


my 2 cents