Removal of guardtasks.

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veleuk
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Postby veleuk » Sep 21, 2012 02:07

This server does not have the population to support full time RvR during prime time EST.

You have every opportunity to attack taskers. It is quite easy to figure out where they are.

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Postby ZaiQQ » Sep 21, 2012 05:09

veleuk wrote:This server does not have the population to support full time RvR during prime time EST.

You have every opportunity to attack taskers. It is quite easy to figure out where they are.


Thats because the few people that are awake, online, are running each in one zone tasking on a keep. Its just sad to see the excuses about guardtasks, remove them completley.

"okay up to rr5"
"okay to do it once in a while"
"scale the guardtasks down but remain avaible"

to make it simple, only thing that ever gave realmpoints was killing a lord or a player, nothing else. Stop crying about your free rps being threathened, because thats what it is. To gain the advantage of having realmrank, you should have killed players, you shouldn't be able to pve farm it.

What would staff say to taj2 items dropping 50% and randomly killing a player in rvr? Obviously it would be retarded. Then why isn't it retarded when mobs give you rps? The whole mindset is just so wrong, ah ****** it, this player/group is too good, can't win, i'd rather go task! instead of trying to beat, change setup, bring more players, trying to evolve their playstyle.
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Postby Hendak » Sep 21, 2012 05:38

ZaiQQ wrote:Frankly im tired of having to run around and chase people who doesn't wanna rvr in the first place. Implement keep taking as a substitute if you're really intrigued about still having a keep related task. Killing players is the only real thing that should reward realmpoints.

And to all the "ermagherrd, cant compete, not rr11" Well, you will still suck as rr11 if all you did was guardtasking.


Chase people? Wow there's a novel idea in a game with 12 RvR zones. Oh right silly me... there is only one zone we must go right?

I would love to see the GM's restrict, change or remove guard tasks as they currently exist. Think having to run around to find people is bad now? How about fewer people playing Alb (or eslewhere), would that be better? It's already dire enough if you having been paying attention. Few Clerics and even fewer Sorcs play US primetime as is and even fewer want to play those classes.

How about you stop telling people how you would like them to play?

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Postby Abydos » Sep 21, 2012 05:49

ZaiQQ, do you know the 1.69 value for killing keep lords?

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Postby Austerim » Sep 21, 2012 05:56

Hendak wrote:Few Clerics and even fewer Sorcs play US primetime as is and even fewer want to play those classes.
Is that why you guys always have 2 Clerics and a Sorc when tasking? :oops:
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lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby Property » Sep 21, 2012 06:04

Austerim wrote:
Hendak wrote:Few Clerics and even fewer Sorcs play US primetime as is and even fewer want to play those classes.
Is that why you guys always have 2 Clerics and a Sorc when tasking? :oops:



o.O High on drugs I must be

One night out of the week we might have a 2nd cleric. Not once have we had a sorc.

<3 you. Fact checking might be a good idea before posting.
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Postby Austerim » Sep 21, 2012 06:20

Not going to waste my time fact checking on a bunch of guard taskers that are afraid of real RVR!!
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> You have to be a c*** to be awesome at daoc
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt
[3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck
lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby GreenP » Sep 21, 2012 07:55

ZaiQQ wrote:
"okay up to rr5"
"okay to do it once in a while"
"scale the guardtasks down but remain avaible"



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Postby Hendak » Sep 21, 2012 08:01

Austerim wrote:Not going to waste my time fact checking on a bunch of guard taskers that are afraid of real RVR!!


Epic fail doesn't even begin to describe you obviously confusing an Icer with a Sorc. How long have you been playing for? Where are the Zzzz? Where is the pet? Where is there any similarity in casting animation between Wizards and Sorcerers?

Two clerics... rare if ever. I cant remember the last time I ran with a Sorc. The 1-2 Sorcs that are on a few nights per week US primetime either prefer small man only or are afk in apk. Some nights there are zero. Zero means none btw.

So recap : one (sometimes zero) primary healers, no primary CC, no secondary CC, one demezzer. Not remotely enough conc to buff people decently.

Ya lets RVR it will be awesome.

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Postby Austerim » Sep 21, 2012 08:56

Do you even bother looking or just go straight to tasking? :gaga:
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> You have to be a c*** to be awesome at daoc
[3:10pm] <myrmidon^> that's what I learnt
[3:11pm] <Frosty_> then why does austerim suck
lordgriffon wrote:Oh by the way... ever seen a group of 8 smite clerics? Or play against a group like that? I have. Absolute devastation. The group that runs up against them can't kill them fast enough because smite clerics have sooooooo many tools at their disposal combined with decent ranged damage with 8 of them dudes doing it!

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Postby Pyat » Sep 21, 2012 09:14

Abydos wrote:ZaiQQ, do you know the 1.69 value for killing keep lords?


If you knew this you would change something or why is it so important?
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Postby Abydos » Sep 21, 2012 09:18

Pyat wrote:
Abydos wrote:ZaiQQ, do you know the 1.69 value for killing keep lords?


If you knew this you would change something or why is it so important?


I don't know what the value is, so I'd like to know what it was.

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Postby Cruell » Sep 21, 2012 10:10

I personally feel guard tasks create far more RvR than it hurts. I dont understand why some people are so upset by someone guard tasking, if it bothers you so much just go kill them.

If you think removing guard tasks is going to increase rvr you are very very wrong. You will see the opposite result and there will be fewer people on the server especially in slower time zones.

I really dont understand the hate for people that like to pve and do tasks, these are the people that keep the server thriving and the economy going. They are the ones that do raids and sell items for your rvr templates allowing the RvR people to keep doing what they like to do, everything works together.

If they make a group and go do tasks, then just get a few people and go kill them and get your easy RP's.

besides doing guard tasks is very boring and if someone wants to do them over and over and get some Realm Ranks, then I say more power to them. It doesnt diminish my Realm Rank at all, in fact I am sure they have donated RP's to me and my group at some point.

I honestly dont see how this hurts RvR at all.
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Postby Sturlek » Sep 21, 2012 10:15

Dark auspices hardly ever has 1 cleric when running in the frontiers, let alone 2. Austerim get your facts straight before spouting off nonsense. "Not going to bother checking" means you're too lazy to worry about the reality of the situation.

If the players whining about guard tasking put half as much effort into defending and claiming keeps as they do in complaining, you'd drastically reduce the amount of rp's that can be earned through tasking. All it takes is 1 or 2 alts logged at a claimed keep. Our guild does it when we claim a keep, as does Myth, Night Watch, and some individual hibs (e.g. Ghazal). We can effectively cut down tasking at our claimed keeps by 80% or more. If you have an unclaimed keep in your realm, or you're too lazy to run out and defend one, that's on you, not the taskers.

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Postby Koleriker » Sep 21, 2012 10:29

ZaiQQ wrote:So when will you guys remove guardtasks? Indefinatley repeatable, segregates action, gives people crazy ideas that you need to task to rr7 to go to emain so the other rr4's can cry about high rr people, pveing for realmrank is what you did on a RP server. Last time I checked, uthgard wasn't striving to be.

Frankly im tired of having to run around and chase people who doesn't wanna rvr in the first place. Implement keep taking as a substitute if you're really intrigued about still having a keep related task. Killing players is the only real thing that should reward realmpoints.

And to all the "ermagherrd, cant compete, not rr11" Well, you will still suck as rr11 if all you did was guardtasking.


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