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Archers now shoot through walls?

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holsten-knight Lion Knight Posts: 4449 Joined: Jul 15, 2009 00:00 Location: Hamburg Website	by holsten-knight » May 31, 2012 22:57 rofl, i am clearly the last to say this... but start to play the game instead of program it. Archer LOS was a bug on live that got fixed. Why you implement it and try sell it as a feature is beyond me there was a post a long time ago that obvious bugs beyond 1.69 will also be fixed here... instead of implemented edit: and it is a hastle when attacking relics. Your healers are perama rupted and you have no chance to get the ranger aggro another target. This is no problem if you get no inc, as they do nearlry 0 dmg. But as soon you have inc your healers can do nothing... as we noticed today. And try to kill them on the 1 spot where you have LOS on the archer is impossible, while they never stop to shoot the healers. Blue Sunday I-VII \| UFC 2vs2 Event

fiskgrodan Myrmidon Posts: 192 Joined: Mar 04, 2011 20:21	by fiskgrodan » Jun 01, 2012 00:02 So old live bugs are features now? Please make it so pets can chase stealthed enemies.

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 01, 2012 00:58 fiskgrodan wrote:So old live bugs are features now? Please make it so pets can chase stealthed enemies. Sorry this is not old you can test it on live servers V1.112. Its still the case. We made videos of it. Edit: That pets don't follow stealthers is a customization and can be reverted at any time if we decide so. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Caemma Phoenix Knight Posts: 1358 Joined: Oct 14, 2011 21:15 Location: Unknown	by Caemma » Jun 01, 2012 02:00 I dont belive that -_-!!! Anyway is a stupid thing There was a time when Uthgard 1.0 existed and maaaany toons and arrpees arose... but now:

Akip Alerion Knight Posts: 2123 Joined: May 04, 2006 00:00	by Akip » Jun 01, 2012 12:01 holsten-knight wrote:rofl, i am clearly the last to say this... but start to play the game instead of program it. Archer LOS was a bug on live that got fixed. Why you implement it and try sell it as a feature is beyond me there was a post a long time ago that obvious bugs beyond 1.69 will also be fixed here... instead of implemented edit: and it is a hastle when attacking relics. Your healers are perama rupted and you have no chance to get the ranger aggro another target. This is no problem if you get no inc, as they do nearlry 0 dmg. But as soon you have inc your healers can do nothing... as we noticed today. And try to kill them on the 1 spot where you have LOS on the archer is impossible, while they never stop to shoot the healers. yes its stupid yesterday after the 2fg action we killed some guards at holstens keep my pet got attacked from the archer guards (not sure if bad luck or pets somehow attackable for the archer guards anyway cause they have no clear altitude), i healed the pet and went to the keep gate as i'm usually out of los than. screw this .

Mikeyboy Warder Posts: 29 Joined: Apr 21, 2012 13:33	by Mikeyboy » Jun 01, 2012 18:27 Akip wrote: holsten-knight wrote:rofl, i am clearly the last to say this... but start to play the game instead of program it. Archer LOS was a bug on live that got fixed. Why you implement it and try sell it as a feature is beyond me there was a post a long time ago that obvious bugs beyond 1.69 will also be fixed here... instead of implemented edit: and it is a hastle when attacking relics. Your healers are perama rupted and you have no chance to get the ranger aggro another target. This is no problem if you get no inc, as they do nearlry 0 dmg. But as soon you have inc your healers can do nothing... as we noticed today. And try to kill them on the 1 spot where you have LOS on the archer is impossible, while they never stop to shoot the healers. yes its stupid yesterday after the 2fg action we killed some guards at holstens keep my pet got attacked from the archer guards (not sure if bad luck or pets somehow attackable for the archer guards anyway cause they have no clear altitude), i healed the pet and went to the keep gate as i'm usually out of los than. screw this . Yeah, the perma aggro on healing classes once aggro is switched and the inability to then eliminate the targets is garbage. At least have the aggro reset when you go out of range. You can run out of range and when you come back they are right back on you as it is now. Wouldn't that at least be a viable option for the aggro to reset if you go out of range?

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 01, 2012 18:29 Running out of range does not immediately clear aggro. Theres a timer before mobs stop to target you. I think the main problem is that some archer guards (mostly Lurikeen) have no easy LOS to players and can't be attacked easily. The intention is you clear the archers first and then concentrate on other stuff. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Mikeyboy Warder Posts: 29 Joined: Apr 21, 2012 13:33	by Mikeyboy » Jun 01, 2012 18:34 Blue wrote:Running out of range does not immediately clear aggro. Theres a timer before mobs stop to target you. Ok, maybe then just lower the timer? I know I was outta range for some minutes and still maintained aggro after coming back. What is the current timer before it will reset? I understand the reason for implementation, but as it is now it has changed one aspect of the game kind of negatively it seems. It just doesn't (at least to me), to seem right to have healing classes who weren't in los of archers take all the aggro through the walls without anyway to clear it in any kind of timely manner.....but maybe thats just me? Edit for added response: Or yes, if the intention is to clear the archers first, which is reasonable, then allowing them to be targeted would go along way in helping as well........Firbold, Troll and Half Ogre archers only?

Badtzmaru Forum Moderator Posts: 541 Joined: Jan 02, 2011 23:55	by Badtzmaru » Jun 01, 2012 18:53 Mikeyboy wrote:...Firbold, Troll and Half Ogre archers only? Celts, Norsemen and highlanders On Uthgard 1.0: Totenpfeil <Ranger> - Vlath <Hunter> - Toten <Eldritch> - Totentanz <Skald> On Uthgard 2.0: Totenzweig <Druid> - Totentanz <Skald>

Seyha Phoenix Knight Posts: 1726 Joined: Apr 25, 2009 00:00 Location: Schadenfreude City, USA	by Seyha » Jun 01, 2012 19:20 This really does not help the whole "players do not like keep sieges" problem. Luzifa: freak Luzifa: delete your freak Luzifa: seyha why you always coward? Luzifa: running valkyn freak

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 01, 2012 22:12 Seyha wrote:This really does not help the whole "players do not like keep sieges" problem. But it helps with "keeps are way too easy". It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Akip Alerion Knight Posts: 2123 Joined: May 04, 2006 00:00	by Akip » Jun 01, 2012 23:15 and it helps for people that think lets leave uthgard it sux and the gms are mental

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 01, 2012 23:31 Akip wrote:and it helps for people that think lets leave uthgard it sux and the gms are mental So we should remove all NPCs from keeps so they can easily walk in with no defense? Read the forums about complains how easy keeps are and how difficult to defend. That change didn't come to our head suddenly. Its not our idea to be honest. We analyzed the AI behaviour on live servers before. There are more details which will change there but it will come bit after bit. With your theory we couldn't make anything more live like on Uthgard. So they will also leave when mob damage is fixed and what not. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."

Akip Alerion Knight Posts: 2123 Joined: May 04, 2006 00:00	by Akip » Jun 01, 2012 23:35 make archers run than idk so they follow you to the edge of the wall so you can target them else its pretty stupid to get one in view they can shoot you and you cant see them. the keepwall should have one fixed altitude where the archers can walk on or?

Blue Developer Posts: 15822 Joined: Apr 22, 2005 00:00	by Blue » Jun 01, 2012 23:37 Akip wrote:make archers run than idk so they follow you to the edge of the wall so you can target them else its pretty stupid to get one in view they can shoot you and you cant see them. the keepwall should have one fixed altitude where the archers can walk on or? Most archers don't move, same as wizards. The LOS problems will be fixed by not using Lurikeens and such. But that was already said. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience. Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..."