As with any competetive activity, you can not expect to win without putting in some effort first. And that's what is annoying people, they want to do RvR and kill enemies, but without working on team play and class mastery. I understand that not everyone has time for that, but what this comes down to is that RvR is not for those people; at least not the 8vs8-type RvR that is found in Emain, usually. Uthgard used to have room for able, but not as dedicated players in places like Odin's gate/Jamtland where you could encounter other guild groups etc. But with the population dropping like a stone right now, of course those opportunities will become less.

I think Kelos' point was just that if you have the tools (skill/team play), realm rank does not matter all that much (not to say that it won't help...). If you don't, then all the realm points in the world can't improve your gaming experience.

we were in emain 6 without a healer yesterday... so took the walgrinds wächster grp with us (8 with 1 healer) and killed all fgs out (if they would have known we had just 1 fresh out of thid healer in the 14 player they may have tried to fight instead of running) ^^

After this the hibs came back with 3 fg and the albs also with 3 fg, we filled up our grp a bit and had some nice "zerg" fights. We lost the most as we were still just 2 fg in bad setups, but was fun. It is all possible if you just try

pug/casual rvr is even more senseless atm than it was before the population drop and i dont see how this could be changed with uthgard settings.

holsten-knight wrote:we were in emain 6 without a healer yesterday... so took the walgrinds wächster grp with us (8 with 1 healer) and killed all fgs out (if they would have known we had just 1 fresh out of thid healer in the 14 player they may have tried to fight instead of running) ^^

After this the hibs came back with 3 fg and the albs also with 3 fg, we filled up our grp a bit and had some nice "zerg" fights. We lost the most as we were still just 2 fg in bad setups, but was fun. It is all possible if you just try

U forgot to mention in the 14 player base u have about 6 are over rr10 , 11 ?
1 blow from a rr (near12) zerk is how many from a rr 4L2 BM ?

Anyway was fun to see some activity wich also gave low rr players a chance to actualy fight and get a chance how to improve and get some tactics going , instead of getting pinned down, and release after 15 seconds of " fight".
Thx for the action.

our current GG is all around rr 4 with maybe 1 at rr 5 , and i can asure you it realy feels differently if we meet a rr 10 + gg or a rr 4 -5 GG mids as yesterday wich we managed to get down on time and got killed by them once.

What is this constant blaming of the community for not enjoying frontier RvR? If a game is balanced, bug-free, and most importantly fun, then people will play it. Otherwise, they won't. It's that simple. Players can only follow the path set for them. If that path leads to frequent frustration and boredom, then they will leave, and it's not their fault for doing so. Blaming "the community" for server problems is the best way to lose players.

Seyha wrote:What is this constant blaming of the community for not enjoying frontier RvR? If a game is balanced, bug-free, and most importantly fun, then people will play it. Otherwise, they won't. It's that simple. Players can only follow the path set for them. If that path leads to frequent frustration and boredom, then they will leave, and it's not their fault for doing so. Blaming "the community" for server problems is the best way to lose players.

Only reason why I said community problem is because:

People farm the mobs, which means there is people there. Which apparently is also known by players. So why don't players go farm the albs that farm green knight once an hour?

Trishin wrote:People farm the mobs, which means there is people there. Which apparently is also known by players. So why don't players go farm the albs that farm green knight once an hour?

wait and roam in a dead zone where maybe a 4-5 man grp alb comes maybe "every hour" to kill them ?
wow trish your such a rvr-g0su xD

Trishin wrote:

Seyha wrote:What is this constant blaming of the community for not enjoying frontier RvR? If a game is balanced, bug-free, and most importantly fun, then people will play it. Otherwise, they won't. It's that simple. Players can only follow the path set for them. If that path leads to frequent frustration and boredom, then they will leave, and it's not their fault for doing so. Blaming "the community" for server problems is the best way to lose players.

Only reason why I said community problem is because:

People farm the mobs, which means there is people there. Which apparently is also known by players. So why don't players go farm the albs that farm green knight once an hour?

Man, you win!
I really hope that this is a joke

How can people that think this "kind of rvr" fix the real "Realm vs Realm" in this server.. only god know

@ Holsten: Yes, but maybe because the 6 ppl was 11L? You think that a pug fg 4L2 (even not all pug) can beat your ggroup?

@ Seyha: I Agree, and solution is in the middle.

When did I say this was the solution on all RvR problems?

I'm quite sure this was meant as hypothetical example. In Agramon this worked out quite good. PvE guys triggered RvR action and activity. This is a fact.

You guys should really calm down a bit and not weigh every word so hyper critical.

To clarify my logics:
1. Topic opener was a suggestion adding more loot to the RvR boss mobs.
2. People tell topic opener boss mobs are already raided frequently.
3. I claim this is a community problem then (that these raiders are not hunted).
4. Someone claim it is a server setup problem.
5. I ask how it is a server setup problem, when mobs are frequently raided and players are aware of this, which means they should be able to try and interfere with these raids.


I am simply curious to why people complain about these mobs not being wanted when they are? And why people don't hunt the raiders if they are sure to be there once in a while.

Whitelights wrote:Let some high mobs in rvr zones (glaciergiant)(greenknight)(etcetc) drop RA or Respec stones and some uthalis and u get more concentrated rvr around those zones wich improves lvl 50 rvr imo.
As said just an idea maybe u could implement other drops but as they are atm they are useless , nobody even looks at them and you surely will not get any fighting around them or any attempt to get control over the zone , area where they are.

Best to quote it, since it became a sport to derail every discussion.

Trishin wrote:To clarify my logics:
1. Topic opener was a suggestion adding more loot to the RvR boss mobs.
2. People tell topic opener boss mobs are already raided frequently.
3. I claim this is a community problem then (that these raiders are not hunted).
4. Someone claim it is a server setup problem.
5. I ask how it is a server setup problem, when mobs are frequently raided and players are aware of this, which means they should be able to try and interfere with these raids.


I am simply curious to why people complain about these mobs not being wanted when they are? And why people don't hunt the raiders if they are sure to be there once in a while.

Ok, thought your post was about all the "rvr situation" and not only about the first quote, my bad than

But, i bet everyone to have fun killing 4-5 players that go for farm a mob with a pve setup and halfbuffed once 2-3 hour.. maybe some stealthers can have fun of it

Caemma wrote:

Trishin wrote:To clarify my logics:
1. Topic opener was a suggestion adding more loot to the RvR boss mobs.
2. People tell topic opener boss mobs are already raided frequently.
3. I claim this is a community problem then (that these raiders are not hunted).
4. Someone claim it is a server setup problem.
5. I ask how it is a server setup problem, when mobs are frequently raided and players are aware of this, which means they should be able to try and interfere with these raids.


I am simply curious to why people complain about these mobs not being wanted when they are? And why people don't hunt the raiders if they are sure to be there once in a while.

Ok, thought your post was about all the "rvr situation" and not only about the first quote, my bad than

But, i bet everyone to have fun killing 4-5 players that go for farm a mob with a pve setup and halfbuffed once 2-3 hour.. maybe some stealthers can have fun of it

You could include checking these spots while circling keeps to kill taskers every kill counts towards a kill task

Trishin wrote:

Seyha wrote:What is this constant blaming of the community for not enjoying frontier RvR? If a game is balanced, bug-free, and most importantly fun, then people will play it. Otherwise, they won't. It's that simple. Players can only follow the path set for them. If that path leads to frequent frustration and boredom, then they will leave, and it's not their fault for doing so. Blaming "the community" for server problems is the best way to lose players.

Only reason why I said community problem is because:

People farm the mobs, which means there is people there. Which apparently is also known by players. So why don't players go farm the albs that farm green knight once an hour?

rvr info !