To sum up my previous statements, I seen this wonderful post by Toaky in another forum that sums up my thoughts on this:

toaky wrote:this server isnt run based off of memories, if you think theres a bug you need actual proof before anything will be done, like it or not

RonELuvv wrote:1. I only do 400-600 on crit shots and 200-300 on normal shots... Same as my 35+18 in bow ranger with yellow d/q buff. NOT BROKE!!

And you call this not broken?

Ranger does not even have to skill bow to do this dmg, while hunter needs 50 in bow to come close to this dmg... And bow specced ranger do up to 1000 dmg with crit shot, you must do something terribly wrong

Edit: and how you want to test something that does not exist anymore? But as i said... hunter sucked on this patch level and even with the obvious bugs fixed he will still suck here, but ranger also sucked at this patch level, so there is something wrong

I played on Iseult Holsten on a ranger and the #1 stealther in RvR at this patch lvl was a hunter. If I remember correctly his name was Smee or Ispi (both were high RR hunters). Also, the bow dmg calculations are the same for all 3 realms, and I have tested that anything beyond 51 composite bow does not really increase dmg.

A hunter or ranger with 50+15 bow will not hit much if any harder then a hunter with 35+15 bow. This has been tested many times. Its not a hunter issue, its all ranged stealther classes. If you spec 50 bow all you are doing is increasing ur cap dmg by a bit and getting the highest end of volley. The people hitting for 1k dmg on crits fairly consistantly are doing so by having a high pathfinding spec with the high end d/q buff and going with high aug dex and prolly running a dex barrel, all of which are available to a hunter. Once you get above 51 composite bow you see minimal dmg increase, and from there its all about speccing for higher dex.

As I have stated before, the only difference in dmg between hunter and ranger with the same bow spec and same d/q buff and same dex would be in the fact that rangers can use a 5.7 spd while hunters are maxxed at 5.5 spd. I use a 5.5 spd crafted myself.

RonELuvv wrote:I played on Iseult Holsten on a ranger and the #1 stealther in RvR at this patch lvl was a hunter. If I remember correctly his name was Smee or Ispi (both were high RR hunters).

Realm points does not say anything about playstyle. Just look at <Death Row> as one example.
Zerging/tasking to r9+, like some do here on Uthgard, then begin to solo low rr people is also sortoff hypocritical.

RonELuvv wrote:As I have stated before, the only difference in dmg between hunter and ranger with the same bow spec and same d/q buff and same dex would be in the fact that rangers can use a 5.7 spd while hunters are maxxed at 5.5 spd. I use a 5.5 spd crafted myself.

Ignorance is bliss!

If you can get me a 5.5 spd bow in mid, I will give you a BIG bag of coins.

What is the slowest spd crafted bow in Mid? If it is under 5.5 spd then that would explain why ur dmg is less.

Smee and Ispi played on classic days. There was no gaurd tasking and they were always solo, so yes RP's does matter. Those 2 led all ranged stealthers in RP's and I belive even led all assasins in RP's. This was also in the time before MoS and the new RA's.

I think the slowest bow on Midgard is 5.3?

@ RonELuvv

You say:
"Everyone is an idiot that thinks ranger is such easy mode and I'm tired of hearing it"

Why does everyone say iit? I wonder... Maybe bcuz its true.

The only idiot is you cuz you think that your your a good player... when the truth is you play a class that is easy.

RonELuvv wrote:and @ Hammeron- I would love to do that, but until I get my ranger to 10L0 that will not happen as I dont have enough time in my life to dedicate to 2 toons. Just because I chose ranger and hibernia as my first class and realm does not mean that I dont have a valid oppinion on other classes. By your logic then I can NEVER take any sort of discussion from a friar seriously since most of them whip my butt. Get over it man, just because rangers do well in RvR does not mean hunter is broke.

OK... you said it. "Just bcuz rangers do well in rvr......" . Ask anyone if hunters do well in rvr. They don't. Therefore compared to a ranger... a hunter is broke. if you are a RR6 ranger, and a RR3 friar kicks your butt over and over and over and over... aren't you going to think something might be a little wrong? Maybe not... but i would.

RonELuvv wrote:I tell you what. Once I get my ranger to 10L0 and complete that goal I will make a hunter and get him templated and equipped. You do the same thing with a ranger. I bet you any amount you want that I will get my hunter from 4L2 to 5L0 faster then you do. How about that? Everyone is an idiot that thinks ranger is such easy mode and I'm tired of hearing it. You want to know what happens to 90% of people that make a ranger? They realise its not quite so easy to get kills then group up so they can get some easy rp's. Rangers, just like hunters, become powerful classes once they get abover the mid 6L range. Until then they are just an RA dumping class that is an easy mode kill once those RA's are down.

The only reason your tired of hearing it is cuz everyone says it... which might mean its correct. Hmm should i believe everyone? or just you?

RonELuvv wrote:Make a ranger and get somewhere with him before you tell me how easy they are, and before you tell me to do the same with a hunter it has allready been documented on these forums that I have full intention of doing just that. Mainly so I can say I told you so....

you will be shocked, once you hit 50 and RR4L2 and in emain everyone evades the crap out of your spear wether it be 39 or 50. And I have no intention of playing any other realm... tried twice... couldn't do it.... I'm loyal to Midgard.

RonELuvv wrote:Also, you have yet to defend any of your "broke" mechanics that I have called out as not being anywhere near being broke:

1. I only do 400-600 on crit shots and 200-300 on normal shots... Same as my 35+18 in bow ranger with yellow d/q buff. NOT BROKE!!

I needed 35 + 16 bow and the RED DEX/QUI buff to get that damage. mine would be even lower with only the yellow dex/qui buff. Hence those points towards the RED DEX/QUI buff had to be taken from somewhere.. hmmm not from stealth so i guess from melee... which as i explained above gets evaded 90% of the time... possibley even more.

RonELuvv wrote:2. I can never perfomr a crit shot off without getting killed... I take it you are referring to when fighting an assasin. This is one of a few things. First, you prolly dont have much MoS. Second, you are prolly moving around alot looking for assasins and when you do this ur stealth detection bubble is reduced and ends up with you running into assasins. NOT BROKE!!

I had MOS 5...

[quote=RonELuvv"]3. I cant get a group. I cant get duo's, I cant get trios... Welcome to the stealther world man. What stealther does get groups in RvR or PvP? The only groups u should be getting is as a MoS bot or in a stealther group. NOT BROKE!![/quote]

I always saw groups of stealthers, that included rangers, at amg... all the time. Maybe I am the only hunter that didn't find many stealther groups in midgard. But I think even hunters didn't reallty want to group with hunters bcuz we all realized how disadvataged we were.

RonELuvv wrote:Before you make any other comments about the class I play then please deal with those 3 issues that I have now pointed out about you original post 3 seperate times. Once again, FOR THE THIRD TIME, what you say in your post is not broken issues.

Just dealth with all of them.

You think you hit me more often(miss less) cuz of how you play? You think you evade me more cuz of how you play? You think you hit me with more bow/mele damage cuz of how you play? Sorry, but it's not how you play... it's your class.

KK Well, I will take back some of my words from earlier since I had a buddy inform me that the slowest crafted bow for mid that he could find was 5.0 spd. I knew the basalt bow for u guys was 5.3 spd. That is going to get a pretty big difference in dmg output especially in the frontload. Dont worry Hammeron, if you stay with the server long enough you will see me make a hunter. I will be the first one to admit I am wrong IF the class is truly as bad as you say it is. However, if and when I'm successful I'm going to enjoy telling you I told you so....

RonELuvv wrote:but I run w/ a 5.5 spd crafted bow and I believe hunters can do that as well.

Slowest crafted bow I can find on Midgard is 5.0. Sloweset drop bow i can find is 5.3. So in an effort to clarify some stuff..

@RonELuvv: Would you agree that Rangers mele is better than a hunters? You did comment about 2 handed being a problem hear on uthgard. Well, it is a problem. And beyond that, Spear seems to be more of a problem than Sword (hutners can spec either). Spear is DEX based and Sword is STR based. I can hit you alot easier with a sword. Spear gets evaded a hell of alot more than sword. I even changed spec to sword to try it and even with only 12 in sword I could hit other stealther types much much easier than I could with spear. So, with that, I need better bow damage than a ranger to be effective against a ranger. cuz if the ranger reaches me and we go toe to toe... im finished. So, since our bow formulas are the same (and you can find a slower bow than i can which means better 1st crit shot than i have), and you can reach me 99% of the time after i crit shot you, im dead 99% of the time... even against lower RRs.

So, I really dont want to argue with you, but hunters are broken in my opinion. I spent 6 years here on uthgard playing 3 different hunters that are different races, respec'd all of them i don't know how many times from spear to sword and back to spear , from full bow to full mele, from Falcons Eye to Masstery of Pain, from aug dex to IP and Physical Defnese... i tried it all and every combonation. I spent alot of time farming just so I could respec again and try something different with the hopes that I would somehow make a hunter effective in rvr. well, no go. nothing worked well. So, I am glad that your ranger does well in rvr, i really am. A game is meant to be enjoyed. But if your enjoyment comes at the cost of no enjoyment for me, then it is not a game for me anymore and its no fun.

Have fun!

RonELuvv wrote::lol: KK Well, I will take back some of my words from earlier since I had a buddy inform me that the slowest crafted bow for mid that he could find was 5.0 spd. I knew the basalt bow for u guys was 5.3 spd. That is going to get a pretty big difference in dmg output especially in the frontload. Dont worry Hammeron, if you stay with the server long enough you will see me make a hunter. I will be the first one to admit I am wrong IF the class is truly as bad as you say it is. However, if and when I'm successful I'm going to enjoy telling you I told you so....

Sorry RonELuvv.. I have given away my templates and nice items, 2 houses and soon will give away my accounts and crafters. I truly hope they fix it b4 you get here so you can at least enjoy the game while you play a hunter. I enjoyed mine thru the bgs, but at some point the stealthers i killed in wilton started killing me in thidranki. Once I got 50/4L2/EMAIN it only got worse. I hope your experience is better than mine.

cheers!

I have a hunter and do ok as long as i'm not fighting rangers. even low RR rangers are OP.

larsan wrote:I have a hunter and do ok as long as i'm not fighting rangers. even low RR rangers are OP.

nah low rr rangers are arpee fodder for a mid-low rr infi/sb (both played well!)
in a perspektive of a hunter many enemies look like OP, but its sadly not. its just the hard gimpness of a hunter

holsten-knight wrote:i guess there is not much hope for hunter. There are still some bugs, but even when they are all fixed hunter will perform poor. The target patch level of Uthgard (1.69) was a patch level where hunter sucked.

Hunters didn't suck. I played a hunter classic live and it was challenging, yes, but great fun.

I'm going to play my hunter through Thid and then it will rest until Hunters get fixed. Untill that day comes, well there are other (stealth) classes which i can play