Das Problem is einfach die Mentalität der Spieler -.-

alle wollen sie immer nur die Keeps raiden, nicht unbeding für den Bonus sondern einfach weil sonst kein Gegner da ist !

Wenn man dann die Türen haut kommt manchmal eine Gruppe. Im normalfall random grp --> schlechtes Grp setup nur 1 heiler keine Resis 4 palas usw ..

Das Problem mit den keeps hängt meiner Meinung nach wie gesagt an der Mentalität der Spieler, das sie zb nie solo gehn, immer im zerg laufen usw usw ...


Eine Einführung eines BG`s halte ich nich für die richtiege Lösung, weil dann alles auf ein Keep fixiert ist und nurnoch keepkämpfe kommen, die ich persönlich ziemlich lahm finde...

aber anstatt emain könnte man zb eine andere NF zone nehmen z.b. Agramon...

weil das BG dafür gemacht is das alle realms gleich große Spawnpunkte usw haben ... so wie auch ein BG nur größer. Und man könnte auch dort mehrere Keep hinpflanzen

Da sieht man mal wieder, dass bei einigen Leuten der IQ weit unter 50 liegt, bzw. es stark an Voraussicht mangelt.

Wie soll man Boni bei einem einzigen Keep handhaben, dass dauernd wechselt? Was ist mit dem Emain XP Boni.. auf eine so kleine Fläche kann man sich das Ding gleich knicken zumal als Voraussetzung keepnähe gilt (weil der Bonus sehr hoch ist). Da kann man sich die Sache für ein BG mit einem Keep gleich falten

Was ist mit den Leuten die immer Anti Zerg geschrien haben? In kleineren BGs mag die Rechnung aufgehen aber für das 50+ RvR ist der Andrang größer. Wer glaubt als unterbesetztes Realm ne Chance zu haben wenns nur noch 1 BG und 1 Keep gibt, liegt da völlig falsch. Im Endeffekt werden maximal alternative Wege gekillt und Konfrontation wird erzwungen.. undzwar ohne taktischen Hintergedanken.

Profitieren tun davon nur die Spieler, die schon viele RP angehäuft haben und praktisch nur noch nach "Nahrung" suchen. Diese Lösung ist weder Einsteigerfreundlich noch gut durchdacht. Zudem nimmt sie sehr vielen Features die im RvR gemacht wurden den Boden unter den Füßen weg.

Aber mehr als 10 Meter weit denken ist ja heutzutage eine Kunst

Lol Agramon:

Das laggt wie sau und so gut ist es nun auch wieder nicht.


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an important post... and in german for sure ^^

Hmm...agree with you pana, the discussion should be english...

Greetz,
Kronos

BTW: I am against one BG instead of Emain for the same reasons, Presto described above. But, btw, i think reopening Dun Bolg was not a good idea either...

Reopening Dun Bolg was a good idea! Uthgard has got enough players to
fill emain with exciting rvr...but if the most players dont want to rvr ...
I'd really like to see even more powerful keeps. I think they are still too
weak and easy to raid. If keep/door upgrading + setting guards would have
to be done by players this could be an interesting feature.

Greets
Sethor

Sethor posted some suggestions for changing RvR on Uthgard, I think they are worth a try.

And what about this strange Earthquake Skript?. No one will upgrade Keep knowing that it will be destroyed 1h later.

Well I suggested this system already in another topic. Here a more explicit
description how it could be:

New keep system:

- towers and keeps are no longer auto-upgraded. Thatfor the earthquake
system destroying keeps is disabled

- keeps will no longer be claimed by a guild whose player makes the final
blow onto a lord. Keeps will become lvl1 "realmkeeps".
To claim a keep you need a full party and only the party leader may claim
for his guild.

- claiming keeps now costs guildbountypoints. A lvl1 keep drains 100gbp
per hour. Every further lvl takes additional 100gbp meaning a lvl10 keep
drains a total of 1000gbp per hour.

- to upgrade a keep or doors you can talk to the lord. The keepupgrade
will not cost further gbp or gold. Upgrading keep doors does! Each
upgradet lvl takes additional 100gold:

lvl1->2 200g
lvl2->3 300g
lvl3->4 400g
....
lvl9->10 1platin

This looks like a big amount of money, but a lvl10 door will be an absolute
pain towards enemies.

- hookpoints will cost gold or players bountypoints. The higher a keeplvl the
more hookpoints for guards and siege machinery you have. A guard costs
50gold. Siege machinery costs 75gold (trebuchets/ballista).

--------------------------------

This would be a mix of NewFrontier and Pre NF keepsystems.
However, it is highly dependend on full groups to claim keeps.
The to-claim-keep number of players needed could also be
set to 4players.

Greets
Sethor

100+ Clients does not mean 100+ people in emain for RvR.

I can sometimes run around unstealthed in emain and check all Keeps and all Level Spots and i dont find a single enemy.

Most of those 100+ are not level 40+.

I can tell where all the 50s went though.
They made level 30 Alts and set them to /xpoff.
Now they have fun playing in Braemar and plan to stay there forever and who wants to blame them.
I checked over the last days and i saw a lot of Activity in Braemar.
2 Groups Albs and 2 Groups Mids most of the time fighting for the keep.
At the same time in Emain there was that one group Hibs taking all keeps, fighting NPC Guards and getting bored and logging off.

But fun in eMain won't come back if you make the Keeps even more stronger... It only strengthens the position of the keep-holding fraction.

BG is not the answer too, as presto said, it will only strengthen the position of the strongest realm atm, and that's not a thing we all want, do we...?

Greetz,
Kronos

Sethor wrote:fill emain with exciting rvr...but if the most players dont want to rvr ...

maybe want but ... as for albs :no sorcs+ no cleris = no rvr ...

The keeps won't be stronger.. When you have to pay hard money to upgrade them I don't think they will reach level 9 immediately after being captured.


The problem I see is that UBERGUILD will capture them all, then upgrade them all to level 9 (Which will be much stronger than level 9 we have now) and it will be even easier to smash every opposition to pieces, since they have more time for it...
Of course I don't know how much 3000 Bountypoints per hour are, but if anyone can pay that, it will be this guild.

So this part will bring fun to them, of course, but I personnally won't have more fun by being owned even harder...

@Gerbald - due to the current problems there are not sooo many players
online, but before serverchange there have been around 160players online
at primetime. And of course there are neough high-lvl players. Problem is
that most of them logout bored if there are no opponents.
Maybe some people should begin to overthink their attitude towards the
"big" rvr.
And yes, braemar is usually well visited. Thats a fact of high lvl players
logging onto their braemar twinks, but however...if people begin to play
emain rvr the situation gets better - it's all up to the players

@Kordobahr - the keeps are not too strong. Due to this earthquake system
there has not been a outstanding lvl-maxed keep for a long time!
Also considering that the above explained keep-upgrade system needs
active players and people who care about holding it. (upgrading from players
ressources).
Of course the realm with the most active players will be the strongest, but
hey...they deserve it because THEY ARE ACTIVE. You can not hope to
gain benefits by doing nothing or running your 5th braemar twink!

The question about BG yes or no has nothing to do with the possibility of
empowering the strong realms. The strongest realm will always become
stronger until some opponents try to break through and battle!

@Elwin - I always say it...support your supporters and/or maybe even
lvl a twink cleric! But remind that those with needed classes shouldnt twink
another needed class - someone with a sorc and a cleric on his account
is nice, but you could face a new problem ^^

I don't care about Albs crying about missing clerics/sorcs until they dont
even try to level or support one! I mean hey, you can lvl up a cleric or
sorc to lvl40 within 1-2 weeks!

...and now pls begin to flame me for my thoughts ^^

Greets
Sethor

Sethor wrote:@Elwin - I always say it...support your supporters and/or maybe even
lvl a twink cleric! But remind that those with needed classes shouldnt twink
another needed class - someone with a sorc and a cleric on his account
is nice, but you could face a new problem ^^

I don't care about Albs crying about missing clerics/sorcs until they dont
even try to level or support one! I mean hey, you can lvl up a cleric or
sorc to lvl40 within 1-2 weeks!

...and now pls begin to flame me for my thoughts ^^

Greets
Sethor

I started leveling sorc to help but i mostly have to solo and actualy i gave up this idea cause its 42 now and its imposible to get it to 50 untill my studies starts , then i wont have much time and can forget long leveling ...