fiskgrodan wrote:The only way a WarAug would beat a SorcCaba in an open field fight would be if the sorc went linkdead.

a skilled high rr Mend/aug healer with warrior can beat any duo i say and am still looking to be proven wrong

Sure a bit more trispec would maybe be better for duo, like 35 mend, 35 aug, 21 pac or 32, 35, 25 and for sure there are better ra's sets for just duo than ours.
But hey, we still want to play in grps most of our time and are still unbeaten in fair 2vs2, so why change anything

sure it will always be who has RA's rdy, and who has a stealther add etc. but that just is daoc.

The fight with wolke was decided by too few panning from the albs and a mob add btw. else it would maybe have lasted 20 more minutes, but that is also part of the game

btw. what about sorc/theurg duo? I think that should also be a good one, maybe a no chance enemy for aug/war while cabba/sorc is hard but doable.

i wouldnt waive the cleric

celteen+killkeen would pwn you PPP

@ holsten i must say i'm a bit curious about wolke, i played against him+sorc too, with druid +champion(zinc), ok zinc killed wolke in backstyle stun with woc but still sorc+cleric should beat the little bunny out of us.
I also want to add that me and mentha allways had a nice time too when we ran duo.

but i think bard+eld well played is at least as good as cleric+sorc, higher range at least base buffs(you can charge d/q int) nearsight, amnesia, stun, mezz, speed6, disease, specc nuke, and ok lower heals and no insta heals, but if you get charged you can sos/rr5 and or am.

bard should have first mezz 100% vs albs and at least 50% vs mids, and eld should beat out any class either with kite and dd vs tanks or with stun and nuke vs casters.

Warr/aug would loose vs theurg/cleric. moc2 and rp2 petspam on the augie and he is dead, and warrior cannot defend or kill the pets fast enough. healer+det5 got a big advantage vs sorc/cleric, as long as the healer stays away when the warrior gets cced.

Problem is akip, after the mezz is purged, then what? ^^

the cleric dies? cause sorc casts 1 time every century cause of amnesia and the eld can happily nuke the cleric?

kite with disease is a bad idea just to think one step further

Akip wrote:the cleric dies? cause sorc casts 1 time every century cause of amnesia and the eld can happily nuke the cleric?

kite with disease is a bad idea just to think one step further

amnesia doesnt rupt when landed anymore. and the bard will never be in range of his single dd, so sorc/cleric will be able to do plenty of casts.

Sorc + Cleric is a really strong duo and melee + healer as well.
But it's not suitable for daily use cause you need speed 6 to run away from bigger groups.
If you can manage to avoid all bigger grps and get a 2vs2 you got the better cards most of the time, cause eg. your melee is now a zerker / warrior instead of a skald and your minstrel turns out to be a cabbalist ^^
Anyway strongest duo is imo biks + carolina can't really be beaten by any duo. VW + Bard is one of the strongest duos and they play really good. Didn't see alot lost 2vs2 from them

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ZaiQQ wrote:Warr/aug would loose vs theurg/cleric. moc2 and rp2 petspam on the augie and he is dead, and warrior cannot defend or kill the pets fast enough. healer+det5 got a big advantage vs sorc/cleric, as long as the healer stays away when the warrior gets cced.

Problem is akip, after the mezz is purged, then what? ^^

yeah probably every setup with a theurg is a problem for war/aug duo, luckily never met a good duo with theurg 'till now.
Although i don't see an automatic win for theurg/cleri, at least they can fail at a lot of points. no pet spam will kill the healer when guarded and both insta heals rdy, too much pet spam will bring mana problems, healer moc mezz cleric and theurg etc. etc.

comes down to paper daoc, which has not really much to do with played daoc.

One Theu/Cleric duo was out today, not that good in fact.
Maybe cause of lack of teamplay.

holsten-knight wrote:

ZaiQQ wrote:Warr/aug would loose vs theurg/cleric. moc2 and rp2 petspam on the augie and he is dead, and warrior cannot defend or kill the pets fast enough. healer+det5 got a big advantage vs sorc/cleric, as long as the healer stays away when the warrior gets cced.

Problem is akip, after the mezz is purged, then what? ^^

yeah probably every setup with a theurg is a problem for war/aug duo, luckily never met a good duo with theurg 'till now.
Although i don't see an automatic win for theurg/cleri, at least they can fail at a lot of points. no pet spam will kill the healer when guarded and both insta heals rdy, too much pet spam will bring mana problems, healer moc mezz cleric and theurg etc. etc.

comes down to paper daoc, which has not really much to do with played daoc.

Ofc people fail, but you need a bit of paper daoc to know what it is you need to counter from the enemies and how to do it the best. I prefer knowing and learning how to handle situations (played to much cc i guess) then just "go with it", sorc+caba would also be really strong vs aug+warrior, augie being doublepetted all the time other then when he moc mezzes the pets. (you running back to slam means dead augie), Too bad theres no moc3 sorc/cleric duo out, even for their counter pac/zerk it would be really hard then

Cave shaman/aug or trispec healer,- and the cards are reshuffled

Every duo would loose against 2 good mincers with 2x Am and SoS

Btw I think you missed to fraps the solo ganks.

@Holsten
I remember that you failed hard with skald+war vs rr7 reaver and rr5 theurg.

Ronian wrote:Btw I think you missed to fraps the solo ganks.

@Holsten
I remember that you failed hard with skald+war vs rr7 reaver and rr5 theurg.

Against perhaps the 2 easiest classes? I say!