Killing monsters is called pve (or pvm), not rvr.

Bloodwyne wrote:there also has never been a fall down of players in NF times like it is nowadays...people come for a few weeks and leave again, this has never been that obvious in NF.

Sorry but this is a pure lie. At these times we just had 40-60 players in NF at a decreasing rate (before instant ports). We had huge problems and overall server population was shrinking! Now we have up to 200 players in OF every evening, what are you telling me?

Blue wrote:

Bloodwyne wrote:there also has never been a fall down of players in NF times like it is nowadays...people come for a few weeks and leave again, this has never been that obvious in NF.

Sorry but this is a pure lie. At these times we just had 40-60 players in NF at a decreasing rate (before instant ports). We had huge problems and overall server population was shrinking! Now we have up to 200 players in OF every evening, what are you telling me?

And yet again:

Disdain wrote:Bigger and safer for expers, a lot more keeps for guard tasks. None of those people are actually rvring. Assuming that every person logged in the frontiers is rvring is just wrong. That's just like saying every person logged inside darkness falls is rvring and everyone knows that's not the case.

Actual rvr population was at it's best during NF with teleport to agramon.

as if all players were doing rvr in NF with the awesome xp bonus and soo beautiful keeps and stuff

Disdain: Exping in NF was way more popular than OF due to better spots in NF which we have introduced. And btw in NF XP-Spots initiated RvR especially for smallman and solos. You should always see the big picture, not just your limited one.

holsten-knight wrote:as if all players were doing rvr in NF with the awesome xp bonus and soo beautiful keeps and stuff

40-60 is a completely made up number anyway. If you can be bothered looking digging his posts you'll see his post from ~2 years ago where he said there's 150+ people in NF and that rvr is fine.

Blue wrote:Disdain: Exping in NF was way more popular than OF due to better spots in NF which we have introduced. And btw in NF XP-Spots initiated RvR especially for smallman and solos. You should always see the big picture, not just your limited one.

If you say so, I exped 4 chars to 50 in NF, often roamed those spots when rvr was slow and I barely ever saw someone else exping there. The occasional group at odd hours in agramon and that was that. Yes those exp spots were great but not used to a great extent either tbh. I'd rather say your picture is limited since you just see online numbers and not what's really going on.

I told you it got better after we took action, introduced XP spots and finally instant ports to Agramon. Before it was degrading more and more and server population was shrinking. OF is by far not in that bad state NF was even with no changes applied yet.

Bloodwyne wrote:agramon had (thanks to some custom changes) a better reputation but it would be way to small if people on uthgard would actually start doing some rvr..:

NF is more than just Agramon. Heck with the boat routes and inter-keep porting and towers you can have such a dynamic zone without making it so called "fast-food" RvR.

Blue wrote:I told you it got better after we took action, introduced XP spots and finally instant ports to Agramon. Before it was degrading more and more and server population was shrinking. OF is by far not in that bad state NF was even with no changes applied yet.

YES EXACTLY! Not rvr population but general server population. Rvr population didn't change much since then. Don't mix those two up.

Disdain wrote:

Blue wrote:I told you it got better after we took action, introduced XP spots and finally instant ports to Agramon. Before it was degrading more and more and server population was shrinking. OF is by far not in that bad state NF was even with no changes applied yet.

YES EXACTLY! Not rvr population but general server population. Rvr population didn't change much since then. Don't mix those two up.

This is wrong again. I'll stop to discuss with you. Its plain waste of my precious time.

Blue wrote:This is wrong again. I'll stop to discuss with you. Its plain waste of my precious time.

Halleluja! This means RvR revamp starting now?

Blue wrote:This is wrong again.

Of course nothing can be more of an accurate representation of active rvr population than online numbers in a huge zone with all the pvers and afkers. Silly me who's online every day playing this game, what was I thinking

Blue wrote:I told you it got better after we took action, introduced XP spots and finally instant ports to Agramon. Before it was degrading more and more and server population was shrinking. OF is by far not in that bad state NF was even with no changes applied yet.

To be honest we've seen similar things happening with OF. We had a huge boost in player numbers, but a very minor boost in actual RvR population, followed up by a decrease in total player numbers. (~1000 regularly after OF -> ~800 regularly after a few months to now) The biggest drop (1000->800) has passed and it seems to stabilise a bit now, allthough new players are still coming, but the general (RvR) population isn't increasing. Like I said, in general Uthgard is still attracting players but it's failing to keep them interested in end RvR. That drop by the way, was 1/5th of the total population. Because we still have around 800 players left, it doesn't have such a large visible impact, but the lower your population is, the larger the impact will be. That might be why the NF drop seemed worse.


I'm just hoping the right measures will be taken to finally solve this.

Don't forget that it propably was a first euphoria which brought back many old DAoC players that were finally giving up when they found out they had to level again to 50 on a freeshard or found out that porter ceremony is back. In my opinion OF still has big potential and as you said its the zone the players which begged for "Origin" dreamed of. I'm sure with NF the overall server population would still be a lot lower.

Maidrion wrote:

Bloodwyne wrote:agramon had (thanks to some custom changes) a better reputation but it would be way to small if people on uthgard would actually start doing some rvr..:

NF is more than just Agramon. Heck with the boat routes and inter-keep porting and towers you can have such a dynamic zone without making it so called "fast-food" RvR.

Well for me NF kind of destroyed the whole RvR and thats why I quit for a long time with daoc. For me instant porter doesnt fit at all to daoc. Whats daoc is about is that you can get jumped everywhere. So if you wanna go to a hot spot you might be semi afk and wups mezzed and dead
With insta ports all this stopped, no pathes anymore where you can actually ambush a bigger grp. So for me OF is the best RvR Zone ever.