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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 17:47

I'm not saying they shouldnt get NF determ, but just consider what you are asking for..
Take a reaver for example.. if he gets to keep the NF det but all his enemies can now only purge his slam every 30 mins instead of 15 or 5 mins, its a huge bonus for his levi spam abilities in grp rvr as well as solo rvr...

How is that not an unintended change?

What you are asking for will now considerably BUFF hybrids in grp rvr instead of keeping them at the lvl they already are..


Now tell me again who has no clue about daoc.. you just don't see the big picture..
and I'm not trying to say I'm right.. this is just my view..
I got no personal interest in this as i play alb anyway and the situation I'm discussing helps my realm, but in general every custom change will have side effects wether you like it or not...

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Postby Jarysa » Jan 02, 2011 18:09

All classes with slam become more powerfull 1on1. That has nothing to do with groupability of hybrids, espacially as noone specs det as a solo RA...

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 02, 2011 18:10

Breeze wrote:I'm not saying they shouldnt get NF determ, but just consider what you are asking for..
Take a reaver for example.. if he gets to keep the NF det but all his enemies can now only purge his slam every 30 mins instead of 15 or 5 mins, its a huge bonus for his levi spam abilities in grp rvr as well as solo rvr...

How is that not an unintended change?

What you are asking for will now considerably BUFF hybrids in grp rvr instead of keeping them at the lvl they already are..


Now tell me again who has no clue about daoc.. you just don't see the big picture..
and I'm not trying to say I'm right.. this is just my view..
I got no personal interest in this as i play alb anyway and the situation I'm discussing helps my realm, but in general every custom change will have side effects wether you like it or not...

Nobody uses purge on stuns in grp RvR because it's not as bad as getting nearsighted or mezzed without a demezz available. If you need to purge a stun it is only because you didn't position well in the first place. Saying that hybrids actually will get BUFFED if they get NF DET with OF RAs is just showing how ignorant you really are about all this.

A lot of hybrids rely on Purge on top of Det, which will be on double the timer at least. Hybrids will still be worse even with NF RAs, it will just make them at least worthwhile enough to consider grouping with, instead of having less than zero percent chance anyway.

The point is, dude, that there ARE a few MAJOR flaws to which there are such OBVIOUS fixes that there is a complete MINIMUM of side-effects, in which case they are not only viable because of the fact that the side effects are near to inexistant, but mainly because the FLAWS which they cover up are so retardedly screwing over balance that it's not even funny. These are nearsight and hybrid det. As I said, any sane person with at least some common DAoC sense will agree with that. Clearly you lack those.

If it were up to you, you'd just leave everything as it was if you had the chance, just because of your fear of "side effects"? Again, this is beyond reason and shows how little you know of what is actually heading our way.
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Postby Jarysa » Jan 02, 2011 18:22

Zarkor wrote:The point is, dude, that there ARE a few MAJOR flaws to which there are such OBVIOUS fixes that there is a complete MINIMUM of side-effects, in which case they are not only viable because of the fact that the side effects are near to inexistant, but mainly because the FLAWS which they cover up are so retardedly screwing over balance that it's not even funny. These are nearsight and hybrid det.


THIS.

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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 18:23

Tbh all of this is not an issue for me, and I can here there is a few here who are really passionate about your custom changes..
I wont waste my time discussing this with people who are clearly biased and can't even admit that NF determ on a reaver with Old RA's would be a buff to the class..
I've said what I wanted and we will never agree on this, I will stop discussing this further ;)

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Postby bawww » Jan 02, 2011 18:37

Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me, and I can here there is a few here who are really passionate about your custom changes..
I wont waste my time discussing this with people who are clearly biased and can't even admit that NF determ on a reaver with Old RA's would be a buff to the class..
I've said what I wanted and we will never agree on this, I will stop discussing this further ;)


You are either a bad troll, or an ignoranus ;)
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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 18:41

bawww wrote:
Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me, and I can here there is a few here who are really passionate about your custom changes..
I wont waste my time discussing this with people who are clearly biased and can't even admit that NF determ on a reaver with Old RA's would be a buff to the class..
I've said what I wanted and we will never agree on this, I will stop discussing this further ;)


You are either a bad troll, or an ignoranus ;)


Please don't post pointless comments like that.

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Postby Disdain » Jan 02, 2011 18:50

Like your posts in this topic have a point(s) :wall:
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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 19:34

Disdain wrote:Like your posts in this topic have a point(s) :wall:


Ofc it doesn't to you because you disagree with me, but even though I disagree with you I'm not afraid to admit you have a point, I just don't agree with your custom fix :)

It's really childish writing hostile posts to people just because they disagree with you ;)

Please flame me some more..

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Postby Mazh » Jan 02, 2011 20:35

well breeze and cetten,

someone of you told to stay classic as it is, and just to level a new one. But I'm sure that if you ask rihordd sweetly maybe he's going to reroll rr11L for a new 4L2 noob merc... he tooks 4 years to get there and suddenly he will not even be able to play anymore, and think of latte, juvez and players like them stuck into this situation. Not everyone got twinks and like to play something else, and if you think classic is balanced like it will be, then maybe you just may lack of RvR experience without offence, and answering me oh I've 7 years experience doesn't prove you learned anything about it with all the stuff I've read above from you.

Sorry breeze, but I don't whine at staff, I'm trying to make a discussion and share my opinion around the subject to bring the facts as it is legitimate from a good % of the population on uthgard, and please, don't tell me abour PvE guy or the 80% that doesn't care about the real goal of DAoC, RvR and 50 BGs. Maybe you didn't notice but even in your real life, being stuck with old stuff never works, place to the improvement and new ideas is always the best in anything...

and please don't bring this this to a flame topic.

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Postby Disdain » Jan 02, 2011 20:48

Breeze wrote:Ofc it doesn't to you because you disagree with me, but even though I disagree with you I'm not afraid to admit you have a point, I just don't agree with your custom fix :)

It's really childish writing hostile posts to people just because they disagree with you ;)

Please flame me some more..


There's nothing to agree with, all you did is banter on about how you prefer classic without changes that aren't even custom (just on a later patch on live) just for the sake of nostalgia while the subject is how old realm abilities will affect certain classes and of course players who spent a lot of time on those.

Sorry but I cannot agree with "OF is better... because!"
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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 21:15

Disdain wrote:
Breeze wrote:Ofc it doesn't to you because you disagree with me, but even though I disagree with you I'm not afraid to admit you have a point, I just don't agree with your custom fix :)

It's really childish writing hostile posts to people just because they disagree with you ;)

Please flame me some more..


There's nothing to agree with, all you did is banter on about how you prefer classic without changes that aren't even custom (just on a later patch on live) just for the sake of nostalgia while the subject is how old realm abilities will affect certain classes and of course players who spent a lot of time on those.

Sorry but I cannot agree with "OF is better... because!"


And i cba to argue with someone who just dismisses all my clear explanations and says I've said I want clean Old RA's "just because" LOL.. Seriously.. I've made some perfectly clear points that you can't deny wether you agree with me or not..
Also it's clear you only care about the classes you play yourself.. All i see is hybrid tank whine because you have one..
There is other clear problems with OF RA's such as MoS getting removed etc.. that makes solo stealth rvr pretty much impossible for anyone as they have no chance to avoid other stealthers.. but everyone seems to have missed that one.. again I don't care about it as i play minstrel atm.. so its actually a plus for me.. still I think it's stupid..

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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 21:16

Disdain wrote:
Breeze wrote:Ofc it doesn't to you because you disagree with me, but even though I disagree with you I'm not afraid to admit you have a point, I just don't agree with your custom fix :)

It's really childish writing hostile posts to people just because they disagree with you ;)

Please flame me some more..


There's nothing to agree with, all you did is banter on about how you prefer classic without changes that aren't even custom (just on a later patch on live) just for the sake of nostalgia while the subject is how old realm abilities will affect certain classes and of course players who spent a lot of time on those.

Sorry but I cannot agree with "OF is better... because!"


And i cba to argue with someone who just dismisses all my clear explanations and says I've said I want clean Old RA's "just because" LOL.. Seriously.. I've made some perfectly clear points that you can't deny wether you agree with me or not..
Also it's clear you only care about the classes you play yourself.. All i see is hybrid tank whine because you have one..
There is other clear problems with OF RA's such as MoS getting removed etc.. that makes solo stealth rvr pretty much impossible for anyone as they have no chance to avoid other stealthers (zergs).. but everyone seems to have missed that one.. again I don't care about it as i play minstrel atm.. so its actually a plus for me.. still I think it's stupid..

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 02, 2011 21:18

Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me...

Oh that's convenient. Do you think everyone here who is advocating BALANCE is playing hybrids? No, but we do have common sense and we know what's going to happen to those players who do play hybrids.

In fact, I urge you to level up a hybrid class (since it's so easy to reroll, right?) and have fun in end RvR any way you like. Maybe then, when it personally affects you, it might become an issue for you. But for now, sure, you're probably immune to imbalance for some magic reason.

Or is it simply because you don't even play in end RvR? :roll:
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Postby Breeze » Jan 02, 2011 21:19

Zarkor wrote:
Breeze wrote:Tbh all of this is not an issue for me...

Oh that's convenient. Do you think everyone here who is advocating BALANCE is playing hybrids? No, but we do have common sense and we know what's going to happen to those players who do play hybrids.

In fact, I urge you to level up a hybrid class (since it's so easy to reroll, right?) and have fun in end RvR any way you like. Maybe then, when it personally affects you, it might become an issue for you. But for now, sure, you're probably immune to imbalance for some magic reason.

Or is it simply because you don't even play in end RvR? :roll:




I played a VW with Old ra's and was the first SI char on excalibur if not all of europe to hit rr8.. I know how it is without determ..

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