no, bow damage is fine and livelike. Stop Crying, spec bow

Garad wrote:Bow damage on Uthgard looks "live-like". My ranger hits with a normal shot around 250 dmg + 30 dmg from the dmg add ... with 12+14 bow spec and only 320 dex. (320 dex is kind of quite low, my scout used to have near 380 with ToA Buff-Bonus)

- 250 vs who, what lvl, what resists and what kind of varience. You got logs or screenshot to prove this, as i see 250 dmg vs targets also, at 35+14 bow, even at higher bow specs it doesnt raise all that much. And 320 dex on uthgard is quiet high, as we dont have buffbots and talking solo play. Most likely your 48 PF , to have that high of a dmg add and 320 dex, depending on ras and base dex pot. You will not match those stats from live, as we do not have over caps, or maxed out buffs.

The only success of bow spec on uthgard currently is kiting and higher MoS use vs assasins and grping up. For scouts though, there slam has some use for there bow. But after the RA change, there will be no stealth use for kiting , as MoS is only given to the scout (movement speed only) and doesnt not apply extra range. So for others, restealthing will be impossible as the one chasing you will find you as you move slowly. So you will need a decent melee spec, which will require lower bow specs. And with slam as i said, purge is on a longer reuse, so scout will benifit more, with mos and longer purge timers.

And again, if 250 bow dmg is normal damage with no bow spec. Which i find that hard to believe, with the testing i have done and seen. But if that was true, then there is also an issue with 2H weapon specs also, and they could spec very low spec and achieve such dmg, as bow and 2H dmg on uthgard is the same. Exept 2H weapons benifit from style growth rates, equaling more then 25%, compared to the 25% bnonus on arrows.

Eclipsed wrote:

Garad wrote:Bow damage on Uthgard looks "live-like". My ranger hits with a normal shot around 250 dmg + 30 dmg from the dmg add ... with 12+14 bow spec and only 320 dex. (320 dex is kind of quite low, my scout used to have near 380 with ToA Buff-Bonus)

- 250 vs who, what lvl, what resists and what kind of varience. You got logs or screenshot to prove this, as i see 250 dmg vs targets also, at 35+14 bow, even at higher bow specs it doesnt raise all that much. And 320 dex on uthgard is quiet high, as we dont have buffbots and talking solo play. Most likely your 48 PF , to have that high of a dmg add and 320 dex, depending on ras and base dex pot. You will not match those stats from live, as we do not have over caps, or maxed out buffs.

The only success of bow spec on uthgard currently is kiting and higher MoS use vs assasins and grping up. For scouts though, there slam has some use for there bow. But after the RA change, there will be no stealth use for kiting , as MoS is only given to the scout (movement speed only) and doesnt not apply extra range. So for others, restealthing will be impossible as the one chasing you will find you as you move slowly. So you will need a decent melee spec, which will require lower bow specs. And with slam as i said, purge is on a longer reuse, so scout will benifit more, with mos and longer purge timers.

And again, if 250 bow dmg is normal damage with no bow spec. Which i find that hard to believe, with the testing i have done and seen. But if that was true, then there is also an issue with 2H weapon specs also, and they could spec very low spec and achieve such dmg, as bow and 2H dmg on uthgard is the same. Exept 2H weapons benifit from style growth rates, equaling more then 25%, compared to the 25% bnonus on arrows.

Bow damage is ok, archers are just missing some basic feature, like the one that Seyha wrote, and proc on bows, just for an exemple. Moreover there are flawed melee mechanics that are a pain, but this is the same for every non dw class.
I've been hybrid from 4L+ to 7L on uthgard and i think i have some clues about this. Just like Seyha, maybe not like a 4L9 ranger.

Yeah, bow damage on Uthgard is fine. The problem is the implementation of archery, and the associated bugs.

From the video it appears archery should work like this:

To ready a normal shot, hit the bow key. To fire the shot, hit the key again.

To ready a crit shot, hit the crit shot key. To fire the crit shot, hit the key again.

To ready a rapid shot, hit the rapid shot key. To fire the rapid shot, hit the key again.

etc.

On Uthgard, the system works like this:

To ready a normal shot, hit the bow key. To fire the shot, hit the key again. Unless you have Rapid Fire toggled on, in which case you will fire a rapid shot instead.

To ready a crit shot, hit the crit shot key. To fire the crit shot after it has been readied, you must hit the bow key. Doing so may trigger a random bug which will cause your crit shot to do normal damage. Unless you have rapid fire toggled, in which case you will fire a rapid shot instead.

To ready a rapid shot, you must toggle the Rapid Fire ability on, and then hit the bow key. To fire a different shot you must first toggle rapid fire off. However, even if you toggle rapid fire off your next shot will be a rapid shot unless you switch to your melee weapon and then back to your bow. If you die with rapid fire toggled on you must switch to your melee weapon and then back to your bow, or your next shot will be a rapid shot.

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The archery system on Uthgard is a buggy mess, and it is not live-like.

I don't say bow dmg is wrong, i'm just surprise you can say all is fine when you can deal for 250 dmg with no bow spe when i deal same amount with 40+14 in bow...

Nothing wrong you're sure?

Most melee Rangers only hit me for about 125-150 on bow. 250 must be at the top of his damage variance against a weak target.

It's bullsh*t that Rangers get auto-train bow and Hunters don't. That 12 spec in bow should be 1.

Eclipsed wrote:

Garad wrote:Bow damage on Uthgard looks "live-like". My ranger hits with a normal shot around 250 dmg + 30 dmg from the dmg add ... with 12+14 bow spec and only 320 dex. (320 dex is kind of quite low, my scout used to have near 380 with ToA Buff-Bonus)

- 250 vs who, what lvl, what resists and what kind of varience.

With crush arrows against SBs running from MTK to MMG, with a 5.5 spd bow. The variance is quite ok. The dmg goes from ~ 210 to 270. On armor with better absorb, the dmg will be lower of course. But I rarly see other classes than assassins solo. And even if there are non-stealthers, most of them have shield, so attacking with bow is useless anyway. And this is not different to live.

And 320 dex on uthgard is quiet high, as we dont have buffbots and talking solo play. Most likely your 48 PF , to have that high of a dmg add and 320 dex, depending on ras and base dex pot. You will not match those stats from live, as we do not have over caps, or maxed out buffs.

Thats right, but - as I already stated - the hitpoints are lower compared to live, too. The amount of str/con con through buffs is lower (for solo player at least) and +200 hp and +25 con from ToA-bonus is also missing. You will do lesser damage on Uthgard, but you dont face assassins with 2400 hps.

And again, if 250 bow dmg is normal damage with no bow spec. Which i find that hard to believe, with the testing i have done and seen. But if that was true, then there is also an issue with 2H weapon specs also, and they could spec very low spec and achieve such dmg, as bow and 2H dmg on uthgard is the same. Exept 2H weapons benifit from style growth rates, equaling more then 25%, compared to the 25% bnonus on arrows.

Against the most assassins, I got 2 to 3 shots before they go out of range or attack me in melee. Most assassins than are down to around 50% hp. But what I noticed is, that the miss rate is quite high. I miss alot, sometimes 2 or 3 times in a row. Maybe because of my low spec

I miss a lot and I have 46+17 bow.

I also only do 300-400 damage to assassins. 5.3 speed bow, 320 dex. That's not even 50% more damage than what you do for free with auto-train bow.

Oh, Uthgard.

Seyha wrote:Most melee Rangers only hit me for about 125-150 on bow. 250 must be at the top of his damage variance against a weak target.

It's bullsh*t that Rangers get auto-train bow and Hunters don't. That 12 spec in bow should be 1.

Recently I got MoS-critshotted by a Hunter for 450 dmg on PD3 and 20% crush resi (25 base + 5% Luri Bonus - 10% due to crush arrow I assume) and 670 AF. Since the Hunter finished me in melee after the opening with bow, I asume he was not 50 bow specced So, for the low stats and buffs on Uthgard, damage seem to be fine.

Seyha wrote:I miss a lot and I have 46+17 bow.

I also only do 300-400 damage to assassins. 5.3 speed bow, 320 dex. That's not even 50% more damage than what you do for free with auto-train bow.

Oh, Uthgard.

I would respec to 35+17. Why? Bow is only base damage. Without styles, the damage above composite spec 51 bow will not raise. Back on live pre-ToA with my scout I testet that there was a crit-cap difference of 80 points of 50+18 compared to 35+18 bow. So, not the point worth.

And on Uthgard, weapon skill not even reduce the defensive rate ...

Hunters can spec high bow and still have points for melee. It's the "advantage" of the class, though it doesn't amount to much here. That Hunter hit you with a crit-shot, so the normal damage is 225. That's not much.

Bow receives the 2hand damage bonus, so there is a benefit for over-speccing. But I agree with you that 35 spec is fine, which is why I will respec soon.

Eclipsed wrote:But if that was true, then there is also an issue with 2H weapon specs also, and they could spec very low spec and achieve such dmg, as bow and 2H dmg on uthgard is the same. Exept 2H weapons benifit from style growth rates, equaling more then 25%, compared to the 25% bnonus on arrows.

Wrong.

those tgts doesn t have good resistances, + fullbuffbot with seems 400+ dex = more than 2100 wskill, + toa bonus in therms of range dmg, + MAYBE strength relics if they even enanche bowdmg in live servers (i don't remember).

1120 dmg is more of my dmg cap here with a 5.7 bow, so that scout is using a 5.8 or 5.9 bow. with a 50+xx in bow

many of his targets are twoshotted down because the second critshot is released before the first arrow hits the target due do the fact that arrow flight is more slow ( at the time of that video).

the only thing that stops my ranger of doin so much dmg on uthgard is the too high bowdmg variance and no buffbot, + 80% of tgts have the max resistances for their malus type dmg.

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Bow-dmg is okay.

120-140 with normal shot with AT (slowest Bow). I see no Problem here

I do 290-320 normal shot vs assasins (blunt/slash arrow 16% resists after) with my 5.7spd bow, 250 qui , 288 Dex , 35+14 bow spec. This is vs many assasin targets, not just one or two. When facing better armor, this normaly drops to about 250 or lower with currect arrow, and even worse vs casters with high PD and neu armor.

So what is the no bow spec dmg, now people are saying low values and high ones. The problem is prob that there is a high varience and just stating the high dmgs.

With the current RA setup, and if they fixed the other archery bugs. Then i would say the current bow dmg is ok, not all that great , but will work with the currect RAs and situations. But when old RAs come it will change the archery play greatly. As stealth is be crippled for archers, which will hurt kiting and like i said, purge will be not up as often, making shield targets difficult. Not only will the block almost all your shots as they run to you, but they will also have a high chance that they will disable you for 9sec. Full melee archers will not be affected as much, as they dont depend on there bow as much. But Hybrids and full bow spec archers will have problems, as higher bow specs cost you your melee capabilitys.

I believe after the old ra change, there will be major archery spec changes, mostly to higher melee and less bow, or just more bow spec/hybrids will be running with others or avoiding solo situations. Unless your a high rank and can afford some tools to cheat death vs lower ranks.

Now imagine you didn't have stealth AND were screwd over for your playstyle...