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Noir
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Postby Noir » Jul 03, 2010 12:34

Yes eclipsed , i would killed both if this stupid ras wasn't abused , and this is because i'm rr11 and because i know my class , when i'm killed by 2 guys cos of a stupid ras, this really annoying me.
And if you see some rr8+ ranger fight, you will see they win very often 2v1 , think twice before answering bulls.

And purge is a counter ras for stun mezz root like you said , so what the use if it say : this stupid ras isn't purgable , type /rel please =) only ichor isn't purgable.. and ichor is just a root , you can defend yourself

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Ronian
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Postby Ronian » Jul 03, 2010 12:41

Noir wrote:Yes eclipsed , i would killed both if this stupid ras wasn't abused , and this is because i'm rr11 and because i know my class , when i'm killed by 2 guys cos of a stupid ras, this really annoying me.
And if you see some rr8+ ranger fight, you will see they win very often 2v1 , think twice before answering bulls.

And purge is a counter ras for stun mezz root like you said , so what the use if it say : this stupid ras isn't purgable , type /rel please =) only ichor isn't purgable.. and ichor is just a root , you can defend yourself


Actually the advantage of the ranger rr5 IS that it isnt resistable, for me that means not purgable too because you are disarmed for 15 seconds. When there is another enemy you are dead anyway, so it is the matter of last resort in some fights or just to use it as a final hit.

On the other hand I have to disagree with you. There is a huge damage variance and sometimes it does only 150 damage, which really sucks.

So the advantage of this ra:
+unresistable, unpurgable stun

Disadvantages:
-huge damage variance
-disarmed for 15 seconds
-only 150 range

So lets take a look at the friar rr5 ra:
Advantages:
+6 sec pboae disarm
+you still can attack someone
+pbaoe damage and most of the time more than ranger rr5
+You can spam it (with a short duration cooldown of some seconds) to destealth someone

Disadvantages:
None!

Wow, lets qq more about this op ranger ra


:roll:


PS: So scout and hunter rr5 ra are purgable ?

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Celad
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Postby Celad » Jul 03, 2010 12:48

Ronian wrote:Friar rr5 blabla

PS: So scout and hunter rr5 ra are purgable ?


Hunter rr5 is a simple snare and for scout it is a root, as Noir wrote, you can defend yourself, for example you can use a dd charge, the same is for the friar rr5.
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Postby Eclipsed » Jul 03, 2010 12:58

lol ya there is many annouying rr5 out there, then just the rangers, and it only annouys someone in one situation, when the ranger is grped. If not, it has limited usefullness. Heck if your down to the wire and you use it to finish your enemy, and it does 150 dmg after resist ( Should be essence dmg with 0 resist, but is crush on here ) . Your enemy may have 1% life still and now your out of combat for 10sec after his 5 sec stun is up.

And yes you can see high rank rangers kill 1 vs 2, but many times they will burn out some RA's, like IP. while I have seen many SB do 1vs2 at lower ranks just fine and that is why it upsets you so much. Your a SB , plus your a very high rank and you died. You dont need that high of a rank to kill 1vs2 and dump RAs to win, but you are and expect to be invinsible in all situations.

How often do you think you see rr4-5 rangers doing 1vs2 and kill both, compared to a SB/infi of simular rr. In some rare situations you may see it, but about 90% of the time, they had to use IP2 or 3 to survive such a fight. What is the assasin using to survive it, that is active , that they have to burn out to win. And after the revamp, this will all change, so what is the point in complaining. Yes the rank will lose the rr5, and longer reuse on his IP, and PD changed to AP. But assasins will also take a hit too. They seem to forget this :P
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Postby Eclipsed » Jul 03, 2010 13:05

Celad wrote:
Ronian wrote:Friar rr5 blabla

PS: So scout and hunter rr5 ra are purgable ?


Hunter rr5 is a simple snare and for scout it is a root, as Noir wrote, you can defend yourself, for example you can use a dd charge, the same is for the friar rr5.


The hunter rr5 is a snare, but doesnt disarm the hunter, allowing to get some distance to ether fire again or restealth and kite. And the scouts is a root and disarms them, but can be used to waste time to allow them to slam there enemy again. And its a 10 sec root, leaving the scout disarmed for 5sec after there enemy is able to fight them again. More then enough distance to also get a few shots in. While the ranger needs 10 sec to wait on disarm, after there enemy is out of the stun.

Many rr5s are really nice or really crappy. Works good in some situations, bad in others. Like the assasins is only useful vs other assasins. So if you use it on an assasin and there enemy assasin doesnt have there rr5 in use. That 118 str/con and dot will help alot. But vs a non assasin its not useful.
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Skar
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Postby Skar » Jul 03, 2010 13:17

Ronian wrote:
Noir wrote:i don't get the ranger rr5 , 250 dmg + stun ok ... but WHY unpurgable stun ?
today i fight a duo , the ranger used rr 5 and i saw the nightshade coming , take all the time needed for do a nice perf on me because i couldn't purge this sh!t. . Sorcerer rr5 isnt compatible with Moc , but ranger rr5 is exactly the same thing , /win button .


Most negative effects arent purgable like ichor :)


u can use sos when u see enemie ichor casting.. but y, ranger rr5 is working right. though i hate it too, cause 80% of my solo targets use it to run away. together with all the ns/sb fights and their use of vanish close before death its really annoying and costs tons of rps. cant count the days until NOONE of those enemies can escape anymore. maybe i come back then :D

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Ronian
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Postby Ronian » Jul 03, 2010 13:22

Skar wrote:
Ronian wrote:
Noir wrote:i don't get the ranger rr5 , 250 dmg + stun ok ... but WHY unpurgable stun ?
today i fight a duo , the ranger used rr 5 and i saw the nightshade coming , take all the time needed for do a nice perf on me because i couldn't purge this sh!t. . Sorcerer rr5 isnt compatible with Moc , but ranger rr5 is exactly the same thing , /win button .


Most negative effects arent purgable like ichor :)


u can use sos when u see enemie ichor casting.. but y, ranger rr5 is working right. though i hate it too, cause 80% of my solo targets use it to run away. together with all the ns/sb fights and their use of vanish close before death its really annoying and costs tons of rps. cant count the days until NOONE of those enemies can escape anymore. maybe i come back then :D

greez elrill


So SOS isnt used for running away? :lol:

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Skar
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Postby Skar » Jul 03, 2010 14:26

Ronian wrote:
Skar wrote:
Ronian wrote:
Noir wrote:i don't get the ranger rr5 , 250 dmg + stun ok ... but WHY unpurgable stun ?
today i fight a duo , the ranger used rr 5 and i saw the nightshade coming , take all the time needed for do a nice perf on me because i couldn't purge this sh!t. . Sorcerer rr5 isnt compatible with Moc , but ranger rr5 is exactly the same thing , /win button .


Most negative effects arent purgable like ichor :)


u can use sos when u see enemie ichor casting.. but y, ranger rr5 is working right. though i hate it too, cause 80% of my solo targets use it to run away. together with all the ns/sb fights and their use of vanish close before death its really annoying and costs tons of rps. cant count the days until NOONE of those enemies can escape anymore. maybe i come back then :D

greez elrill


So SOS isnt used for running away? :lol:


sure it is. never said anything else. it was just my subjective view to ranger rr5. since there were only stealthers running solo, it was just frustrating, to camp mmg/mtk or brief/horseroute.. finally found an enemie which escaped then with vanish or ranger rr5. that was just why i stopped running solo before some weeks. dont know if the situation is another now. but if i come back with solo minstrel then with old ras.

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Postby Ronian » Jul 03, 2010 14:42

Minstrels only camp horse route or run if you have the opening. Nuff said.

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Postby Trabiaan » Jul 03, 2010 15:33

So lets hear this huge list of mystical rangers you guys lose to 1v1 on a regular basis. Ronia? He's RR11 and knows his class. That shouldn't come as a shock to you. I call BS on all this.

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Skar
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Postby Skar » Jul 04, 2010 16:08

Ronian wrote:Minstrels only camp horse route or run if you have the opening. Nuff said.


whats with stun+mezz?? whats with sos to get 2 sek away and mezz after?? whats with moc+mezz when enemie has the opening?? there are some ways to get the fight under control, if u havent got the opening with minstrel. i really escape with sos, only if i think there are adders, for example while crossing amg.. sry but u shouldnt speak about minstrels in common. as i wont say: all rangers can just go amg and add. but this is so senseless at all to discuss with any of those egomode players. so i better just say: yes, ur right mate!

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Postby Ronian » Jul 04, 2010 16:10

Skar wrote:
Ronian wrote:Minstrels only camp horse route or run if you have the opening. Nuff said.


whats with stun+mezz?? whats with sos to get 2 sek away and mezz after?? whats with moc+mezz when enemie has the opening?? there are some ways to get the fight under control, if u havent got the opening with minstrel. i really escape with sos, only if i think there are adders, for example while crossing amg.. sry but u shouldnt speak about minstrels in common. as i wont say: all rangers can just go amg and add. but this is so senseless at all to discuss with any of those egomode players. so i better just say: yes, ur right mate!


Ok the only exception might be Minplus (best active minstrel)

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Skar
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Postby Skar » Jul 04, 2010 19:44

Ronian wrote:
Skar wrote:
Ronian wrote:Minstrels only camp horse route or run if you have the opening. Nuff said.


whats with stun+mezz?? whats with sos to get 2 sek away and mezz after?? whats with moc+mezz when enemie has the opening?? there are some ways to get the fight under control, if u havent got the opening with minstrel. i really escape with sos, only if i think there are adders, for example while crossing amg.. sry but u shouldnt speak about minstrels in common. as i wont say: all rangers can just go amg and add. but this is so senseless at all to discuss with any of those egomode players. so i better just say: yes, ur right mate!


Ok the only exception might be Minplus (best active minstrel)


yes u are right, mate :lol:

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Postby Seyha » Jul 04, 2010 20:15

A cheap RA for a cheap class played by cheap players. But it's live-like. /shrug
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Postby Snigel » Jul 04, 2010 20:55

Seyha wrote:A cheap RA for a cheap class played by cheap players.


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