Seyha wrote:

Priest wrote:will this be possible again with 1.69?

I think that was changed before 1.69.

And anyway, the staff treated this as a bug. Apparently it was fixed on Uthgard before Live.

Which is unfortunate because this 'bug' was what gave the Hunter a unique advantage in the stealth war. Scouts had shield, Rangers were just good over-all, and the Hunter had a stealth-tracking pet.

Agree.

Unique advantage to get a slot in 8 mans maybe

nixian wrote:

Priest wrote:in a lot of fights u see the hunter pet follow enemys in stealth and pop them out of stealth. I rember this was pretty common in the past for all pets.


will this be possible again with 1.69?

no, this is a "custom bugfix" the staff has made.. this was done even before it was done on live

(just to make the timeline clear as some people don't seem to understand this: )


first: Live + uth: Pets follow players in stealth
second: Uth: Pets don't follow players in stealth
third: Live: pets don't follow players in stealth

damn, then i agree hunter is unplayalbe

thx for the fast replies. well, bad news for hunters again

atm i am really hoping that am totally wrong and playing an (solo)archer will still be possible (= being able to kill something before u die to a pa) with old ras.

well but till the patch comes out i can have some fun a least ).
i hope i dont see this patch come live with the next 2 month.

Ronian wrote:Unique advantage to get a slot in 8 mans maybe

You can see from the video what a nice advantage a stealth-tracking pet is when solo.

A note I would like to add about archers (and hunters) and old RAs

Due to the higher usability of CC I think you will also see more casters out in rvr solo..

Basically any class with a 2x CC will be very powerful in old RA setting due to less purges..

so more sorcs, elds, theurgist, SM will start to solo I think.. this might not be 100% easy targets, however caster > assassin when it comes to dream targets I think, feel free to tell me otherwise if I am missing something..

nixian wrote:A note I would like to add about archers (and hunters) and old RAs

Due to the higher usability of CC I think you will also see more casters out in rvr solo..

Basically any class with a 2x CC will be very powerful in old RA setting due to less purges..

so more sorcs, elds, theurgist, SM will start to solo I think.. this might not be 100% easy targets, however caster > assassin when it comes to dream targets I think, feel free to tell me otherwise if I am missing something..

agree, but nevertheless especially hunters will not have any chance if they have no ip, purge and avoid pain or true sight up against assasines
so i hope the staff will change something to make the hunter playable.

Cadam wrote:

nixian wrote:A note I would like to add about archers (and hunters) and old RAs

Due to the higher usability of CC I think you will also see more casters out in rvr solo..

Basically any class with a 2x CC will be very powerful in old RA setting due to less purges..

so more sorcs, elds, theurgist, SM will start to solo I think.. this might not be 100% easy targets, however caster > assassin when it comes to dream targets I think, feel free to tell me otherwise if I am missing something..

agree, but nevertheless especially hunters will not have any chance if they have no ip, purge and avoid pain or true sight up against assasines
so i hope the staff will change something to make the hunter playable.

Well, I guess the tides have turned then.. before assassins had to avoid archers all they could if they didn't want to get popped, now it's the other way around..

(Here I am really biased as a solo assassin who usually had to avoid FGs camping with MOS5 archers)

nixian wrote:Well, I guess the tides have turned then..

Oh come on! Excluding the imbalance caused by a class that shall not be named the stealth war is very even under NF RAs between Assassins and Archers. An archer without camo can easily be detected by an Assassin. "Tide has turned," yes, because allowing Assassins to move around with impunity with no natural competitor is great for balance. Sounds more like a Tsunami to me.

Cadam wrote:

nixian wrote:A note I would like to add about archers (and hunters) and old RAs

Due to the higher usability of CC I think you will also see more casters out in rvr solo..

Basically any class with a 2x CC will be very powerful in old RA setting due to less purges..

so more sorcs, elds, theurgist, SM will start to solo I think.. this might not be 100% easy targets, however caster > assassin when it comes to dream targets I think, feel free to tell me otherwise if I am missing something..

agree, but nevertheless especially hunters will not have any chance if they have no ip, purge and avoid pain or true sight up against assasines
so i hope the staff will change something to make the hunter playable.

i dont believe scout or rangers will be doing much better. as an archer u can be somewhat sure to get an pa pretty soon when an assasin is in your area. without ip your are done (no more passive pd).

but hey who cares. screw archers. i will try the old ras a bit and when i dont like it create an assasin. so i have a funny solo class again.
but oh i have to do this now cause no more bgs in the future. and i dont believe going out wiht 2l2 will be much fun

Seyha wrote:

nixian wrote:Well, I guess the tides have turned then..

Oh come on! Excluding the imbalance caused by a class that shall not be named the stealth war is very even under NF RAs between Assassins and Archers. An archer without camo can easily be detected by an Assassin. "Tide has turned," yes, because allowing Assassins to move around with impunity with no natural competitor is great for balance. Sounds more like a Tsunami to me.

You are so very wrong on this..

I could name thousands of enemies I would not dream of jumping on (esp with no purge to rely on - as anything on a 30 min timer isn't reliable) as an assassin.. Just because there is no natural "in stealth" hunter for assassins doesn't mean that some classes will be good for hunting assassins..

Reaver - pulsing pbaoe to pop stealthers
SM/ench/eld/wiz - pbaoe to pop adding a good quickcasted root/mez/stun can easy kill an assassin or 2
Necros(when implemented): with pbaoe, dmg shield, chain lifetap, high absorb it can be VERY hard to kill and can be used very well to chase assassins

Just because archers no longer is the preferred assassin hunter it doesn't mean that the assassin have no hunters..

Also there is quite a few classes I could add to an assassins "no go" list (basically any slam tank is a no go, esp with old RAs)

Priest wrote:

Cadam wrote:

nixian wrote:A note I would like to add about archers (and hunters) and old RAs

Due to the higher usability of CC I think you will also see more casters out in rvr solo..

Basically any class with a 2x CC will be very powerful in old RA setting due to less purges..

so more sorcs, elds, theurgist, SM will start to solo I think.. this might not be 100% easy targets, however caster > assassin when it comes to dream targets I think, feel free to tell me otherwise if I am missing something..

agree, but nevertheless especially hunters will not have any chance if they have no ip, purge and avoid pain or true sight up against assasines
so i hope the staff will change something to make the hunter playable.

i dont believe scout or rangers will be doing much better. as an archer u can be somewhat sure to get an pa pretty soon when an assasin is in your area. without ip your are done (no more passive pd).

scout got slam and ranger hat dw hunter got nothing then a pet that does 20 dmg, so hunter has the biggest disadvantage

@cadam
your are right. hunter has the biggest disadvantege.
at the end the ranger will do some more damage to the assasin and the scout may life a lil bit long. (or maybe escape for while with shieldstun)
but after the fight is over the assasin will be almost always the winner.

nixian wrote:Reaver - pulsing pbaoe to pop stealthers
SM/ench/eld/wiz - pbaoe to pop adding a good quickcasted root/mez/stun can easy kill an assassin or 2
Necros(when implemented): with pbaoe, dmg shield, chain lifetap, high absorb it can be VERY hard to kill and can be used very well to chase assassins

Yes i think we will see a lot of casters running around in solo finishing mana because they pbaoe random everywhere just to find a stealther.

nixian wrote:Just because there is no natural "in stealth" hunter for assassins doesn't mean that some classes will be good for hunting assassins..

Nixian, none of these classes can find you if you don't want them to. See a Reaver? Stay away from it. See a PBaoe caster? Stay away from it. None of these classes can find you unless they get very lucky or you just aren't paying attention. Archers have to deal with these same problems.

Yes, there is a problem with Assassins being able to kill something, stealth, and be completely safe from passive detection.

There is a reason Mythic changed the stealth RAs with NF and it has nothing to do with ToA.