Phaeton wrote:switching to OF is what brought so many new players to uthgard... and now you want to switch it back?? makes no sense

RA's are a huge factor in fights, and all these new people are starved for rps atm, hence all the adding. It's easy to "honor" the so called fair fights when you're sitting on RR7+... but when you're sitting on RR3 and looking at easy kills, you don't think twice, you ATTAG! Besides, last I checked this game was about rvr and not 1v1/8v8. If you choose to play that way, by all means go for it, you have every right to do so... just don't complain when someone else doesn't follow your rules.

Phaeton u r a mid and one of the bigest adders we got in our realm, i had to argue with you 1 h to explain and stop you not to add when the others fight fg VS fg , u go ahead..play how u want..there are ppl who like to HAVE FUN when u fight 8 VS 8 , what you do is the same like a guildie said" it's like playin soccer with 50 years old's " because that's how it feels like when you atack 2 fg vs FG and so on.

Agramon was beter @ 2 things, more gates, thus more freedom of movement for both FG s and soloers, and the instant teleportation wich helped ppl gain RR so fast, in a good day i was doing 50k rps in 4h in agramon soloing , now in emain if i make 20k in 4 hours grped or solo i should be happy.
I d like Agramon back, but main problem is ppl's attitude like i said before...not necesarly the fighting scene.

Rector wrote:complete NF
pro: warmap, instant porting to keeps, more siegeweapons, boats

con: players would only use Agramon to RvR

complete OF
pro: diversified landscape (huge hills etc), classic feeling
con: players mainly use a small region, porting system can be frustrating in long term

pro nf 2 walls/while 1 is camped
alot of xp spots that was used in nf in agramon and around
more small man action with tower raiding / bridge fights
instant fun fair for hib also
-.- 80 people right now in Bg's
and like 1 fg hib in rvr maxium -.-
i had solo favorit enemys like motaro cuz i saw him alot now i dont see him anymore never sad any of them again like amadeth

contra OF
peoples dont want come in other zones just some to less for 4-5 hibs
long times to search for 1 inc
real long ways to run
frustaded emain rvr/solo/duo rvr
boring keep fights
less people come rvr many rerolled rangers..

<- was Nf fan =) like it was before so many changed

One big Point for NF was the warmap. There you saw all the Towers and Keeps. When Keeps or Towers were under siege, these icons were burning. I miss this Feature. Only chance to see if a keep is under siege, when you claim it (one guild only!, 500 Bounty Points cost every few hours!) or when its been taken by another Realm.

I want the NF Warmap back!

And I also voted for New Frontiers. There were more positive things on it than on Old Frontiers.

Toblerone wrote:

Phaeton wrote:ps - yes, this game is about rvr.

That's why a large majority of the playerbase is purely pve, right ?

people can play how they want... but this game was built around rvr, and not so much around pve. look at wow - there are plenty of ppl who play that game almost solely for pvp and that game is clearly built around pve

Iceer wrote:One big Point for NF was the warmap. There you saw all the Towers and Keeps. When Keeps or Towers were under siege, these icons were burning. I miss this Feature. Only chance to see if a keep is under siege, when you claim it (one guild only!, 500 Bounty Points cost every few hours!) or when its been taken by another Realm.

I want the NF Warmap back!

And I also voted for New Frontiers. There were more positive things on it than on Old Frontiers.

afaik , they re working on the warmap for OF

with NF you could solo with any char, you could hide in water and move arround more free.

with OF if you are visible and make it solo past the mousehole amg/mmg you must be a lucky person.

keeps are bugy, aswell as guards, keepraiding is no challnge and defendings i have never seen except at relic.

i wish they would turn back to OF.

Glacius wrote:Agramon was beter @ 2 things, more gates, thus more freedom of movement for both FG s and soloers, and the instant teleportation wich helped ppl gain RR so fast, in a good day i was doing 50k rps in 4h in agramon soloing , now in emain if i make 20k in 4 hours grped or solo i should be happy.
I d like Agramon back, but main problem is ppl's attitude like i said before...not necesarly the fighting scene.

what is good on "gaining rps fast" ???
its good to have fun ,..its a game ,..
you should be happy cause of gaining 20krps in 4h?
you should be happy to play daoc !
why not join a instant server , there you can gain 150k rps per kill
that must be awesome to you
on those instant servers you got your instant port system and get instant added ,..
yeah main problem is peoples attitude,.. i agree

nubrin wrote:

Glacius wrote:Agramon was beter @ 2 things, more gates, thus more freedom of movement for both FG s and soloers, and the instant teleportation wich helped ppl gain RR so fast, in a good day i was doing 50k rps in 4h in agramon soloing , now in emain if i make 20k in 4 hours grped or solo i should be happy.
I d like Agramon back, but main problem is ppl's attitude like i said before...not necesarly the fighting scene.

what is good on "gaining rps fast" ???
its good to have fun ,..its a game ,..
you should be happy cause of gaining 20krps in 4h?
you should be happy to play daoc !
why not join a instant server , there you can gain 150k rps per kill
that must be awesome to you
on those instant servers you got your instant port system and get instant added ,..
yeah main problem is peoples attitude,.. i agree

I was making so many rps cause i could do so many 1 vs 1 wich i enjoy alot , here solo i die alot to fgs and i dont gain anything.. thats all, if u kill alot in 1 vs 1 u gain lots of rps, in grp..if u got a good setup u make now same amount of rps u used to do in Agramon also, emain is also bigger and few chances to get added..

We all know the biggest problem OF has is the fact that Emain is a rather impossible smallman/solo area. We all know a few measures could pretty effectively point out a zone where solo (or smallman) is the most favourable and thus most played RvR style. And last but not least none of us know when or even if such a change will be coming.

Oh and by the way, NF worked indeed better for soloers if you compare it to current OF.

Zarkor wrote:We all know the biggest problem OF has is the fact that Emain is a rather impossible smallman/solo area.

Don't agree on this point Zarkor, biggest problem with OF is that there is only 1 way out of Atk/Mtk and only 1 rvr zone being used primarly.

If an icentive was added to bring people to OG/HW than OF would be perfect imo.

None of this go OG for 8v8/HW for solo shizzle as that is just not working

Neju wrote:

Zarkor wrote:We all know the biggest problem OF has is the fact that Emain is a rather impossible smallman/solo area.

Don't agree on this point Zarkor, biggest problem with OF is that there is only 1 way out of Atk/Mtk and only 1 rvr zone being used primarly.

If an icentive was added to bring people to OG/HW than OF would be perfect imo.

None of this go OG for 8v8/HW for solo shizzle as that is just not working

I said pretty much the same you did and you don't agree with me?

more of that fact that i read what i quoted and nothing else

it's too late for me to give a proper post, so will just say : I agree with Zarkor!

Jojoner wrote:Now we have quite many ppl, lets say at primtetime 3-4+fg mids in emain and i guess, emain is too small for it anyway or lets say, the action area bewteen atk and mtk is too small for 4fg mids, 2fg albs and 1fg hib running around, perma add by mids is normal ^^ so 8v8 is hard to get

Go Odins/ Hadrians!

I'm also not a real fan of OF... But there are 3 Zones, not only Emain

Edit: And jeah, i also miss XP spots in OF. So many area'S looking just... we put here a mob and there one.. ^^

It would be nice to know what the staff thinks about all this, and what do they plan to do.
Also a new OF vs NF map poll would be in order to see what we think about it.

And what would such a poll change? Look at the RA poll (60% vs. 40%), still nothing's done yet.