Force wrote:

Musikus wrote:ok..than think of this..

why can a ranger do MORE damage with mainhand on me than a fulltank with 2H/pole?

ranger was RR6, used thrust rapier 3.9 mainhand
armsman was RR6L5, used thrust pole 5.9, full buffed from a cleric

this ranger did 210 damage on me, and i have PD5 (and being vulnarable to thrust)
armsi did less than 170..oh..and i talk about hits on the same part of armour

will / can you explain me this?
a ranger doing more damage than a fulltank with same damage type mainhand only?

Like I've had to say to Glacius about 1000 times, you can't judge dmg, or dmg mitigation by 1 hit.


If you think there is something wrong with ranger, or armsman dmg, you need to do extensive testing not look at 1 hit.

its not 1 hit...its the average hit..
but true..i should have gotten screens of it.
i dont have em..so you can believe it or not..

rangers do more damage than fulltanks and can keep up easy with lighttanks damage (or even outdamage them)

lol, ya and youl never see a SB, Infi, Scout or hunter add. This is just Realm bickering. Everyone runs into situations of an enemy realm adding. Yes ive seen rangers and ns add before, ive also seen enemy steathers add too. But most of the time youl run into a two or more grped up vs 1 Hib, which that is basicly adding too to make it an unfair fight. But this is Realm vs Realm not player aranged fights. If you dont like adds, stay away from hot spots like the gates, of course youl run into adds its a hotspot.

And to Musikus

Proof. I dont see how a ranger could possibly do 210 dmg vs PD5 with a piercer. Heck i can only do a max of 120 ish, if im lucky. Maybe if i dropped bow total and spec more for melee i could do a little more, but it will not be that much. Currently at 34 Pierc i do only 80-99 dmg with taunt style, even with dimondback i still only do about the exactly same vs Assasins.

i will proofe it...but dont ask me how those rangers do..i talk to those who did that much on me..they refused to tell me how they are specced (skill and RA) when i asked em.

just need time to find them again in the field..the damage of the armsi i can do quick (if someone tell me how to activate chatlog and where i find it later on my PC

I think the default key for chatlog is 'L', but im not 100% sure.


I would suggest you setup an armsman and ranger with the same base weapon spec, and dmg stats, and compare the average unstyled dmg on a target with the same resists/AF/ABS. I imagine youll see the armsman doing a little bit more dmg than the ranger, but could be interesting, maybe rangers are bugged never know

well, the comparing part on 'a target with same AF, ABS, resists' is easy..i am the target.

and as i said..i cant guarantee the same weapon spec..the rangers did not talked to me.

i see... albion, home of the black adders, are crying about ranger zerg?

wow comedy at its best

afa wrote:i see... albion, home of the black adders, are crying about ranger zerg?

wow comedy at its best

i am neither a black adder, nor i cry about the zerg..i just be curious about the done damage.

Musikus wrote:well, the comparing part on 'a target with same AF, ABS, resists' is easy..i am the target.

and as i said..i cant guarantee the same weapon spec..the rangers did not talked to me.

there are just a few spec where a ranger could hit for that dmg(no not really for that dmg, maybe with both hands and dmg add on pd 5).

was he using positional? anytimer (doubt that). was he using cd styles or pierce styles?

Heres a thought:

Maybe it seem like Rangers are adding all the time because these are not real rangers who actually play the class because they love it, but instead because of all the whine threads over and over on here about Rangers has got the kiddies in a buzz and the first thing they do is go make a ranger so they can "pwn". This player doesnt care about honor, realm, groupmate, anything... all they want is power and they play any class they think will have it.

Therefore you got a billion wannabe rangers out there popping shots at anything that moves in a desperate attempt to get some quick easy RP's and get that rank up. Or perhaps you meet groups of them sticking together because they too weak\impatient to score a kill alone.

All this complaining with no basis has a much more negative effect than percieved eh? Now rangers flood the frontier and the problem seems to compound.

this thread is really comedy, moron style comedy especially cause the threadstarter is a crossrealmer

== Hunter 44% Resist ==
[17:26:01] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+39)
[17:26:01] You attack Ygritte with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 77 (-62) damage!

== SB 35% Resist ==
[02:01:53] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+39)
[02:01:53] You attack Amo with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 92 (-51) damage!

== SB 38% Resist ==
[04:09:18] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+43)
[04:09:18] You attack Ynatta with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 102 (-64) damage!

== Infi 38% Resist ==
[05:20:03] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+42)
[05:20:03] You attack Ramboz with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 98 (-62) damage!

== Thane 18% Resist ==
[04:14:54] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+27)
[04:14:54] You attack Dogthor with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 84 (-19) damage!

== SB 35% Resist ==
[03:24:39] You perform your Bumblebee's Sting perfectly! (+33)
[03:24:39] You attack Hiddenz with your bright arcanite exceptional rapier and hit for 82 (-45) damage!

Now i know all these dmg's are not 100% since there is a varience, but its no where close to being OP as people like to claim. Even when i had my higher melee spec, i still did basicly the same kinda dmg. But of course each enemy will very, but not by much.

Silverleaf wrote:All this complaining with no basis has a much more negative effect than percieved eh? Now rangers flood the frontier and the problem seems to compound.

Maybe Noir actually has the perfect method for beating rangers every time and he's just trying to trick all the FOTM players into rolling them for eash RPS

Rangers are not overpowered.

Rangers are not that tough for me even if they hit harder due their pd. Even with Ronia we had very close fights all the time in the past, despite his pd+ip.

Noir your solution is wrong, you either have to go for viper 3 (Hanma), either higher hp to overcome that pd (toughness / augcon) (Runis).

Viper1 - 75 dmg dot
Viper2 - 90 dmg dot
Viper3 - 115 dmg dot

So in my oppinion augstr4 and viper2 is wrong in your RA setup. Augstr3 is enough, and either you do viper1 either 3. Why spend 10 realm skill points for 15 dmg per tick (viper1 vs viper2)? Why spend 10 realm skill points for 12 strenght? You can spend those rsp to get toughness 4 ftw. If you manage to get an ablative charge (crafted 100 or drop 150) thats a total of 400 more hp. Get some healpots and you will do another 100-200 more hp up. And combine your Remedy with Firstaid like i told you.

Dont forget to switch poisons, as many as you can, disease every time, strcon debuff every time, at least 2 dots (even with viper 0), and haste debuff poison also (despite that on uthgard the level 40 one is 10% debuff and SHOULD BE 20%).

And never forget to use your dmg add in combat, pd does not help vs that. MoS 4 would be a good choice also, and will help you get a stealth style oppening more times, but you are kinda low rr for that, save it for rr11 )

And STOP using doublefrost. Use some def bonus styles.

Ill tell you my RA spec ingame, maybe it will be inspiring.

And btw , i never saw a solo ranger since long time ago, so you can never say how really tough they are.

rangers aren't overpowered, its just the thing that they do a crazy little lagstrafing breakdance around your char in fight, dancing and jumping and rocking around, until they finally can get their sidestylestun on you from every position that they want, but never from the side.


strange, isn't it?



greetings, kraehe

ok, that's it. this is insane.

I left APK, running at SPEED 5. the guy opened from behind me with normal shot and released a volley. I DID NOT STOP MOVING FOR ONE SECOND.

this is what happens:



Please, instruct me: what in the nine hells could I have done to avoid death?

This is idiotic.