Weia wrote:Suggestion: If a realm doesn't own it's supply keep (Bledmeer Faste, Caer Benowyc, Dun Crauchon), they can't port to enemy realms anymore.

This way, players themselves can move the action to different zones. This should introduce regular keepfights against actually defended keeps, and might strengthen the realm communities by forcing them to work together there on a target where everyone can participate without worrying about bad group setups, optimal classes, or even missing a few levels. The main goal however would be that the other zones see some use too, and once the hot zone changes again, some might even choose to stay anyway, thus splitting the action over all realms.

One of the best idea ever !But why only supply keep?Do this for ALL keeps.That way,realms have to clean their own frontier before attacking others lands.That will split action on each frontiers,making more opportunyties for smalls grp and soloers instead of zerg farming in emain.That will make more pvp action in DF too ,because DF will change owner more often.

Kaltess wrote:

Weia wrote:Suggestion: If a realm doesn't own it's supply keep (Bledmeer Faste, Caer Benowyc, Dun Crauchon), they can't port to enemy realms anymore.

This way, players themselves can move the action to different zones. This should introduce regular keepfights against actually defended keeps, and might strengthen the realm communities by forcing them to work together there on a target where everyone can participate without worrying about bad group setups, optimal classes, or even missing a few levels. The main goal however would be that the other zones see some use too, and once the hot zone changes again, some might even choose to stay anyway, thus splitting the action over all realms.

One of the best idea ever !But why only supply keep?Do this for ALL keeps.That way,realms have to clean their own frontier before attacking others lands.That will split action on each frontiers,making more opportunyties for smalls grp and soloers instead of zerg farming in emain.That will make more pvp action in DF too ,because DF will change owner more often.

Spend 2 hours getting your keeps back before you can actually fight enemy players isn't any fun at all for anyone.

There would be ennemies defending keeps and roaming on each frontier,so no it wouldn't be boring.But perhaps your vison of fun is waiting port ,get zerged in emain,waiting port,get zerged in emain,waiting port,.....

Kaltess wrote:There would be ennemies defending keeps and roaming on each frontier,so no it wouldn't be boring.But perhaps your vison of fun is waiting port ,get zerged in emain,waiting port,get zerged in emain,waiting port,.....

My vision of fun is let everyone have the possibility to do as they like. Not enforcing my "fun" onto others.

I gotta say I'm with Zarkor on this one.

Zarkor wrote:
dinj wrote:
silenced wrote:
Weia wrote:
Suggestion: If a realm doesn't own it's supply keep (Bledmeer Faste, Caer Benowyc, Dun Crauchon), they can't port to enemy realms anymore.


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Good idea!


Not a good idea imo. If you're a soloer/smallman and looking for some nonzerg action you just got nowhere to go.


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What if port time just was longer (say 15min) soloers can still port, and the big guys who want fast action need to retake the keep.

Kaltess wrote:One of the best idea ever !But why only supply keep?Do this for ALL keeps.That way,realms have to clean their own frontier before attacking others lands.That will split action on each frontiers,making more opportunyties for smalls grp and soloers instead of zerg farming in emain.That will make more pvp action in DF too ,because DF will change owner more often.

If it's just one keep, zerg action will concentrate there. First advantage would be there actually being a real zerg at all, instead of just randomly adding 8mans calling each other zergers. That will mean soloers and small groups trying to reach the zerg, providing opportunities for other soloers and small groups trying to intercept them. From my experience in DAoC, nothing really brings out more soloers and small groups than them being able to reach the safety of a zerg somewhere, instead of being supposed to run around aimlesly until an enemy 8man farms them.

If the problem of being unable to reach empty zones, or being unable to complete guardmissions is too big, this could even be refined. If Hibernia takes Midgard's supply keep, Mids can't port to Hibernia. The main RvR forces of Midgard would then move to Odin's Gate, where hibs that wanted to move RvR would be roaming, and some probably would be defending the keep. Those that need a more empty zone to spend their time in could still port to Hadrians Wall. Albs and Hibs would still be free to chose anyway, unless they start messing with each others supplykeeps too, but I still think it more likely most would just go to where the action is.

its a phenomen called like uthgard sometimes today it was pretty dead again with about 1000 players online

Melodexx wrote:its a phenomen called like uthgard sometimes today it was pretty dead again with about 1000 players online

atm a LOT is new players on uth and are leveling up - give it a month

nixian wrote:

Melodexx wrote:its a phenomen called like uthgard sometimes today it was pretty dead again with about 1000 players online

atm a LOT is new players on uth and are leveling up - give it a month

To be honest, the current implementation of BGs and the state of end RvR simply don't incite anyone who hasn't managed to join an active (RvR) guild or join this server with 7 reliable friends to actually go out there and have fun. Or should I say.. spend free rps?

As long as you can grind through the BGs to lvl 49 without having to set a single foot into OF by any means, doing so in the end will mean nothing but a cold shower. The people they used to group with either rerolled their toon or blended in with some 'asocial' RvR guild, leaving them behind on a "/lfg RvR"-spam island so to say.

The fact that you can get 4L2 in Thid doesn't weigh up to the fact that you have no connection to what is actually going on at lvl 50 whatsoever. You have had no reason to prove yourself or meet other end RvR players and you will soon feel redundant to the whole end RvR scene. What you know best is what is most appealing to the casual player, for good reason, since BGs currently are the only place to RvR casually atm.

I say make OF casual again, make it worthwhile for every playstyle to go out and have fun again, to do their thing, regardless of level, spec, goal or setup.

Currently, everything is just pointed towards "being able to compete", which makes not being able to do so come as a slap in the face even harder.


And please let's be honest now, you really can't deny there's a quite large threshold to end RvR as it is now. A bit too large if you ask me.

Oh and keep the "you just want more free kills running around"-bullshit for yourself. I want players to have fun where it actually matters, where they can actually enjoy DAoC in it's full proportions: end RvR for everyone. I myself couldn't care that less whether there are 20 or 2 xp grps running around. I won't target them 95% of the time anyway, but the players who want to get involved into end RvR as newcomers certainly do care. Having a really hard time getting into end RvR is one of the factors that hold the health of the RvR population back a lot and tbh acting to solve it would be most welcome.

I see this and the current RA system as the 2 biggest issues Uthgard holds atm, and is holding for a long time now. Changing it will be a rough process, but definately worth the shot if you compare it to the state we are in now. I've already worked out a few ideas to do this, but they're scattered around the forum and I doubt staff would listen to them anyway since they already have their hands full as it seems. Maybe I should create a thread about it, but I don't think it'll really help.


So all in all, nixian, while there are a lot of players leveling up. Probably 60%+ of them really want to try out end RvR and most likely less than 30% of them will actually keep doing so after 2 months. I'd bet my accounts on that if the situation remains the same.

I agree with Zarkor.

I played with the new guys here and i saw the frustration where you could rarely compete against the Midgrps running and if you met a low rr Mid Grp which might be killable you mostly get added or zerged down. I dont see them continue rvr here.

Sure new guys xp here, and sure they might try rvr for some time, but i doubt they will contiinue.

Just have a look at the endless blue deathspam in the evening or the last week rps.

The only fun in rvr atm for me is with our set up grp, which we cant run often cause of busy rl of some atm or in a high rr pug with decent players which happens once a month or so.

But even then you have to drop alot of RAs and instas to win even against low rr mid grps.

well maybe hib should start rolling in zergs more often then so we get all these new hibs rvr hungry


but ofc.. that's just a suggestion to solving the "mid are OP" problem there seem to be apparently

hibernia should just boycott OF rvr for some weeks. let albs and mids be alone there.

for the hope the staff will start to react and do some changes, as they should be done long time ago.

its a mess.

danteafk wrote:hibernia should just boycott OF rvr for some weeks. let albs and mids be alone there.

for the hope the staff will start to react and do some changes, as they should be done long time ago.

its a mess.

staff reaction? Should the hib skill nowdays a problem for the GMs? Wake up the good players you had some time ago and you won´t need a "staff reaction" ...

Mids got good players at 1vs1, gvg, zvz aswell as albion. Hibernia nowdays just have <<<<some>>> good players and lots of ppl just losing time running decordinated around emain even with TS/ventrilo on the 90% of your groups... (singing and chitchatting I gess...xD )

Staff reaction.... pffft!

obv not. u dont get it.