I'm stoned :O
tonight no alb or hib fgs inced me when they met me :O

It was really a nice feelings and we could do some rvr with hib and alb stealthers, and hib and albs solos (albs dont really solos )


Maybe was just luck^ I wanna test more I like this rvr honour^

Only exception was for vanquish guys^ I added their fight when I was in duo so they kicked me later in solo, my fault but hope this won't put on my head a killme tag

i guess thats one of the main problems with the gankign solo's.
its just when im in fg and we let some solo'S alive and a minute later we fight enemy fg and i just get add from thosse solo's we just passed i wish i ganked them before..

Reopened

please keep it non flamy and on topic


WARNING: personal opinion incoming

First of all pana I would love to roll a non-stealther for soloing but the fact is I can't really be bothered to lvl yet another 50 character and build yet another "he is a non adder - never grping" image

so I suggest you hunt us down - but instead of doing it with a MOS5 scout in grp try hunt us with normal visual classes - with a bit of intelligence it can actually be done (only annoying part about the mos5 scout thing is that there is no way to hide - and since you mostly bring 2-7 friends with you it is not really a "fair" fight - i hope you can see this)


to the whole grp not killing solos etc:


I tend to tell my grps that I do not like killing soloers / adding behaviors however as obvious I am in a grp and can't controle my fellow grp m8s 100%

like a while ago: we had FG ally grp going and we were all pretty okay with the non adding - non zerging soloers etc.. however we had a BM in the grp who was a "OMFG ITS WAR RAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRWWWWW!" guy.. and therefore sometimes we just had to sit and wait for him to stop adding / killing solos

what im trying to say is: even if a grp has the best intentions it can be hard to keep a FG non adding / non solo killing and you should try to think of that when you experience adders / solo killers

The killing soloer and FGs beeing added by soloer is a vicious circle.
Somebody has to make a start to break it. FG's are the once who do actually profit from ganking everything that is weak. I once already explained.
The chances to meet soloer, duo , ...7 is bigger than meeting a FG. So thats how they can make RP.
They are the one that can actually spare a soloer, since in most cases they should be able to deal with him even in 8v8. Spare him a few times and he might change his mind. Spare him once wont do. Try to build an image. So keep up the faith for a long while. If your group members gank, maybe u explain him that he ll be disbanded if he continues like this ? Or make it to rule before inviting even.

I personally started all the massiv adding due beeing killed as soloer while i played my RM. I was driven by the philosophy:

"Everyone has to pay a price"

If u go out as Soloer, you pay the prize to be ganked by duo, trios ...FG
If u got out as Duo, you pay the prize to be ganked by trios ,...FG and in addition be added by Soloer Duos.
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Why shall there be a difference when u play a FG? They are the ones, that can only be added, there is no beeing ganked as a FG except by a Zerg? Even if they spare Soloer, they wont spare Duos nor Trios,4--7...

Everyone has to pay a price!! I mainly run smallgroup. I can only advice "add". And add everytime. This is the prize a FG has to pay for ganking anything weaker than it. Sure you might kill their fun and they might log.
But thats the essential point.
They log -> more smallgroup fun. SO ADD!! Until the day comes that FG's
start sparing Duos/Trios/..7 (?), and for other reasons than they cant catch up But for that there is no hope:>
Everyone wants RPs, especially when they cant find "decent" enemies.

Everyone talks about Soloer, while there are just a small part of the ganklist for a FG.

This is also one reason why i dont respect stealther soloer. They dont pay the prize either. Hiding in stealthr, just waiting for someone to show up.
And hey they all pop. And afterwards claiming to be a soloer. They dont pay the prize. They just pop to kill people that are weaker from the beginning. They are not dealing with challenge.
Running a rumored moc3 sorc. No stealther seemse to be willing to attack me alone. Small wonder? Why try when u know you could die, except when vanish is up. A RA that prooves stealther to be even more cowards.


Nixian having mos5 char is essential to kill steatlher, nobody wanna waste 30min at an MG to hunt down a stealther. And besides dont u think a clever stealther can stay in stealth ??
And dont forget how frequenty a FG is checking MG. Some mid group pop there as soon as they see 1 killmsg.
MoS5 is it what makes a scout worthy of a group And archer are supposed to be grouped aye ?

Greetz
Nes

jrhadden wrote:And archer are supposed to be grouped aye ?

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Nes

AYE!

yes it is a nice anti-steathers and and anti-rambo zerkers class.

@methusalem

read again and try to post then. i Never said that alb was better than others realms for the fair play. i know there are bunch of stealthers that zerg sometimes. i know they don't let solo alive for most of them.

but i said that when i am in a group i tend to say " don't add, don't kill solo" if one disagree i ask him to not join, if more disagree then i leave ( but they need me anyway ^^)

@ nixian

hunting stealthers without mos5.... lol
i don't see why to do that... players in rvr aren't supposed to kill and being killed? MoS on archer is designed to be the only way to kill stealthers. or maybe could stealthers move without stealth and then you don't need scout. that's the same logic.

if you really disagree with the noob BM in the group that doesn't listen to the leader you have to disband him or he'll never learn. i usually tend to tell 3 or 4 times something and giving a last chance before disbanding, maybe you don't need to be so patient. But till there are people that don't want to learn and there are no people to lead the group and teach them, the rvr in agra will be a joke.

@ nes

if you add the fg with your small group, how do you want they spare you next time? you need to show the way some times and maybe you'll see a difference in the enemy way to act.

Pana ..

You might convice a FG to spare soloer.
But you wont find any FG to spare Duo, Trios, 4 ...7.

When u wanna do smallgroup rvr while FG out, you suffer.
You get killed by anything bigger than your own group. If u still go out, you have guts/hope.
Why shouldnt the FG have the same guts? And thats something the FG needs only** if the smallgroups adds in 8v8. Currently running FGs pays out by ganking enemies that are weaker and will be like that.. unless you find some smallgroups that like to add. And that is the prize a FG has to pay.

It is essential for everyone to have an equal motivation level. So everyone has fun. And adding helps , since nobody will spare you (except your are a soloer maybe). It is very important that FG's need to have a motivation barrier as well. Else it kills smallgroup rvr (especially on the current map setting, where there is no chance to avoid FG's. You see it everyday ...

Besides:

Adding is something u can activily do as smallgroup.
Beeing ganked is not your decision. So i rather take my fate in my own hands. And i am open to beeing ganked, as long as everyone is beeing ganked from time to time - > Equal motivation level (!)


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Nes

FGs say they want good fights, but in fact they are looking for fast easy rps. Every Mid FG I saw jumps on soloers. Last time a Firby Hero told me: Wow, these mids didnt kill me.
After they returned they ganked him fast and he was angry then.

Cant understand how ppl who play only a mid stealther have such an opinion. Especially if this person ganked many stealthers in a fg with his mos5 hunter for weeks. So dont cry now about someone adds your bugged solo char

Well i already told you my oppinion about steatlher. For a good reason i specced my hunter to MoS5. And as sideffect it's nice RP for sure.
It is as good as ganking xper xD.

Have u payed already ?

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Nes

I Love it when people say: We needed to kill him to lure some real enemies.
It is not like soloer/greys can tell their Realmates "there are some enemies here". You dont need to die to use broad >.>

Hows this for an idea:

AGRAMON IS GROUP ZONE, if you are solo or smallman in there it means you are going to add >>>deathbyfg. Implement boats again, and let soloers/duos/trios fight in hadrians/odins/emain.
Oh sorry, I forgot, even tho theres 700 people online at primetime 10% of that is in NF.

So you say you don't kill soloers if you are in a group? Why did you kill my solo Thane then?

Cause of me, you killed a grey minstrel a sec before....

Grey killing shouldnt be awarded :> So i beged pana to kill you !


Greetz
Nes

jrhadden wrote:Cause of me, you killed a grey minstrel a sec before....

Grey killing shouldnt be awarded :> So i beged pana to kill you !


Greetz
Nes

you blocked the port for whole Midgard. Next time don't stand there and i won't kill you.