Well all my other chars are Caster (or alike) ...

I wouldnt feel very convenient, when i find myself in melee :>

Devil: I also tried melee spec 50spear. Pd4 Ip2 Purge. Might win vs tanks, but who cares about them you can deal with em anyway. Assasin/Rangers? You are still nothing but a nice dessert nothing else.
But i have to admit i dont have the kiddo reflexes to backstun on every fight, while rangers and assasin will definitly get off some stun on you.

So i rather rely on strategy (kite) ...

The advices i have given before work and you dont even need RR to adapt my playstyle.

At the moment thanks to my RR, i also picked IP2 and PD3 (?) giving me some extra toys (which i only use when get suprised by my own dynamic or by the shear number of adding steatlher^^)

Greetz
Nes

Ronian wrote:@Nestral
Hehe, copy and paste for your other chars

@Motaro
Yes, I started with RR9 and all other players were below my rank.

Psst Ronia, your a ranger...not a hunter. You dont have to deal with the zero melee dps that we have.

jrhadden wrote:Well all my other chars are Caster (or alike) ...

I wouldnt feel very convenient, when i find myself in melee :>

Devil: I also tried melee spec 50spear. Pd4 Ip2 Purge. Might win vs tanks, but who cares about them you can deal with em anyway. Assasin/Rangers? You are still nothing but a nice dessert nothing else.
But i have to admit i dont have the kiddo reflexes to backstun on every fight, while rangers and assasin will definitly get off some stun on you.

So i rather rely on strategy (kite) ...

The advices i have given before work and you dont even need RR to adapt my playstyle.

Greetz
Nes

Thanks man. One of the few that see that hunters need some love and arent just making your gimp jokes.

ask seyha what he/she is doing that makes her so good.. she/he seems to be able to kill (and has even killed me a few times on my NS)

learn 2 play


(ps. hunters are the gimpest of all archers but that is just how it is - just like NS is the gimpest of assassins.. its just something we have to learn to live with)

Since seyha seems inactive. You might tell us how it happend nixian ?

I am curious myself.

MoS+Volley?
MoS+Crit+Run ?
Or truely Melee ?
After a fight from long range, while u were still visible ?

Greetz
Nes

ps i spoke with seyha once, and that was anything but confident to kill assasin/rangers. (see also the various post from seyha^^)

mos + volley + kiting

only got him because i kited back and forced him to chase me

so yes it is possible

also he once in a while killed me due to high mos + me not paying attention and running for him fast enough (was looking out for another player)

so yes it is possible to kill as a hunter

Well Nixian, exactly what i said: Kiting / Adding in combination with MoS.
It pays off, since he cant escape either, and hiding behind wall gives an oppertunity for volley. This game usually just end by some other friendly stealthr adding:). Unfortunatly there is plenty of them out :s

Nothing new huh^^,
but that wasnt what devil was asking for. In his eyes (mine for sure) hunter is nice for adding and kiting. In that he exceeds rangers and scouts^^.

Going to OLD RAs. Hunter will loose his last and single tooth "MoS". Atleast then he can do nuts but add vs Steatlhers.

On the other hand you see it like this (Zarkor quote - my favorite) "as long as there is a single RR6L8 Hunter, that class cant be buged and surely dont need love, else the whole Realmbalance will be blown."

Greetz
Nes

Nes just because a class is outperformed by another class doesn't mean it is broken simply that it is working in another way..

and what would be the solution here? custom changes? no ty

I havent droped the words "Custom". But since u mentioned it .. xD

Well what is the purpose of having some classes in DAOC, when in RvR those never appear? Seems like nobody is understanding how they actually work? Or maybe that was the reason, why mythic made changes on these classes. Despite that live and uth aint the same, on uth you usually meet the same enemies. The only way to win vs them is to get more, but guess what enemies can do the same

We dont know much about mythics intentions. But 1 single fact:

Mythic made those different classes, so they shall be played and active in RvR. If it doesnt happen on Uthgard. We failed to understand Mythic. Thats the single fact that holds for all patchnotes (etc). And whatever changes mythic made, they should have obeyed that rule.

But what to do on uthgard about it ? Shall we leave it as it is ? Exclude some classes from activity? Or shall we rather think about make a game where the existence of some classes makes sense at all.

Thats a question not to be answered by us, but by the staff.

Greetz
Nes

ps. Nixian to quote Seyha: "Outperform" is such cute word only a lurikeen with rainbow damage could say

Ronian wrote:
@Motaro
Yes, I started with RR9 and all other players were below my rank.

Hahahahah , u r kiling me with days.. when i started on this server u were rr9 , and i was forced to solo, i had a temp and was rr4L2 lvl 50, and u kicked my arse so many times 1 vs 1 cause of that PD5 u got.. , later on i managed to get som charges with bufs and rounded my temp to perfection, still if u have IP up u kick my ass, my point was that its hard when u gota start..and u encounter high rr players cause solo u got no chance,and duo trio is the way to go.

ofc it is hard to start out as low RR but that is how it is

when i started on my NS i was 4L2 in agra and even though I was crap RR i could still sometimes pwn people who were much higher RR than me (RR6+ and so)

it is all about being persistence and keep trying.. but ofc hitting noir/runis at RR4L2 when they were RR6-9 and actually get them to 30-40% life was a big big push for my ego telling me to go on.. I guess some people just dont care about loosing but doing good..


and that is player mentality and not broken classes

Glacius wrote:

Ronian wrote:
@Motaro
Yes, I started with RR9 and all other players were below my rank.

Hahahahah , u r kiling me with days.. when i started on this server u were rr9 , and i was forced to solo, i had a temp and was rr4L2 lvl 50, and u kicked my arse so many times 1 vs 1 cause of that PD5 u got.. , later on i managed to get som charges with bufs and rounded my temp to perfection, still if u have IP up u kick my ass, my point was that its hard when u gota start..and u encounter high rr players cause solo u got no chance,and duo trio is the way to go.

Its not forbidden to buy ip with 5lx

I hadnt a temp until rr5 and infs killed me often because of missing RAs. Archers get much more stronger with a higher rr than Assassins. They need mos4, ip, purge and some other passives.

Assassins only viper, mop and purge.

@ontopic
I have to say that some Hunters made 160-180 on PD5. In my opinion that is high damage and yes, Rangers have more DPS but Hunters have an advantage vs Casters or in terms of kiting because of their pet.

Glacius wrote:Hahahahah , u r kiling me with days.. when i started on this server u were rr9 , and i was forced to solo, i had a temp and was rr4L2 lvl 50, and u kicked my arse so many times 1 vs 1 cause of that PD5 u got..

Spamming doublefrost doesn't really help against pd5.

boba wrote:
Spamming doublefrost doesn't really help against pd5.

What do you want me to do, cast him to death??:))))))))) ofc i tried after evades if i got one and used dmg add charges and so on, side stun like you i dont have,but i still kick ass:P..apart from that what do you expect a zerker to do in your opinion? , but still..having 1750 weap skil and hiting him for 90(-100) dmg..while he does 80 dmg on me also takes the ****** you know:P

nixian wrote:ofc it is hard to start out as low RR but that is how it is

when i started on my NS i was 4L2 in agra and even though I was crap RR i could still sometimes pwn people who were much higher RR than me (RR6+ and so)

it is all about being persistence and keep trying.. but ofc hitting noir/runis at RR4L2 when they were RR6-9 and actually get them to 30-40% life was a big big push for my ego telling me to go on.. I guess some people just dont care about loosing but doing good..


and that is player mentality and not broken classes

Its not hard to kill or hurt high RR classes when you viper poison is hitting for 120+ per tick. You can land 1 shot and run and your poison would still get almost any class down to 50% hp or more without you attacking. (unless they purge) Hence why over half of the Highest rr or kills for the week are all assassin classes. Landing poison with viper is so very hard to do.
Im not turning this into an assassin nerf flame im stating the fact that there are little to no hunters in RvR because of low damage and in melee you will die damn near everytime you engage in it.

Ronia...
@ontopic
I have to say that some Hunters made 160-180 on PD5. In my opinion that is high damage and yes, Rangers have more DPS but Hunters have an advantage vs Casters or in terms of kiting because of their pet.

I call BS on that. Just last night I was 1v1 vs a PD 5 Ranger. I have cap str and dex and running str/con pot and dex pot. I was landing for 75-85 damage with Yar spear. Only time ive hit someone for those numbers you said was on non PD classes and thats with the slowest spear with full pots running.