Galno wrote:Not true at all.
It's not less and less opponents at all.
And it's not our fault if Albs and mids dont want to go together.

It's your fault for effectively destroying rvr by adding on every 8v8 with 2-3 fgs or just rolling a group with 2-3fgs. And yes it's less and less opponents, you just said it yourself, they don't go together and log off instead resulting in, voila, empty emain.

I don't have anything against zerging if there's a proper reason for it, but what you guys do in emain for 1 hour of your own fun (read: fun=farming rps) doesn't make rvr any better or more insteresting. If you wanna zerg do it when you know there's an enemy zerg to fight or go take some keeps (you'll get arpees there too!!) or whatever instead of killing off rvr for hours to come.

Well, well..

We just started trying, and already it is having an huge impact.

Why ? Because there are enough People that do want to participate.

The simple truth is : The People that did BG's only would like to keep playing their Chars when they hit 50.

Even with low rr. Even with 'wrong' classchoice.
Even without trying 2 hours to form a group with perfect setup.
Even after 2 leave after that first wipe.

Guard Tasks are not that fun at all.
And the PvE Faction has been PvE'ing in the Hope they can eventually play their toons.

That's why so many Hib's are joining up now.
I only play Hibernia, so I have never been in another Realm,
but I am sure that if someone would step up to the Plate for their Realm,
they will get out just those People in these Realms aswell.

And yes I have seen new Enemy faces too ! Not as large a Number as Hibs, but consider those Realms still try to push that 8on8 Mentality so hard, they rather keep running in the Zerg then banding together.
That will change though I'm certain.

It's been 2 Days now, and for that the Results speak a clear Language.

To claim we don't have that Playerbase because these Guys just will always PvE and stay BG is just hillarious.
They do because they have no choice.
And it's been you that took their choice.

The future will show who is right, we will try to just make facts in Emain
you cannot ignore.
If you are right and the Players are not up for this, well,
we will regred it and stop it - no Problem.

But I tell you what: I believe that soon enough you will not come around then to notice alot of People of all Realms you have never seen before -
taking Part in fights in Emain.

Just Forum talking ain't gonna change anything for anyone.
That you are crying that loud just shows how much we are able to change something in just a few Days.

Still, while I am glad, and positively surprised how wrong Hibernia prooves you on that 'Playerbase - Argument' -

The other Realms are lacking atm. We notice.
And this is only going to be fun when both Alb and Mid will take Part aswell.

So I can only hope that People there step up to the Plate and start organising People to fight !

But if they do, things on Uth will finally change for the better.
And there is nothing you can do to prevent it.

@ all whiners:

buhuuu your awesome gank grp got zerged? oooh i feel so much pity.
And there is nothing you can do about it? too bad. So you should stop playing, it seems to be the only solution!

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we got zerged a lot of times yesterday, at some point we decided to run with another grp togehter. Worked fine, we had fun in the "zerg" fights, we "zerged" some other 8-slot enemy grps and felt really sorry for this.
Was fun, too bad we had to stop at 22 p.m.

And seriously... where is the problem when it gets too zergy in emain, even if you get pimple from more than 7 people around you? Go OG, open DF, try to get through your milegate and roam breifine/cruachan... or log out, wayne.

and you wouldn't believe it, but... with two gank grps and a minimum of communication and respect you can even have both... "fair" 8vs8 (with one grp running a bit farther behind, not engaging the fight, unless it's more than 8 enemys) and a chance against up to 4 fg zergs in epic battles...

all you need are some social skills, too bad most gank grp nice fighters lag this kind of skill and would never acknowledge this is even a skill you need to play daoc.

i havend read every single post in this topic but i only see its always the same people who keep arguing on this forum.
looks like the proplem here is that some people dont want others to zerg but wanne keep doing there own thing.
imo thats just the same then setting up a zerg.

why are you all so hard headed.
I hardly post here but in most case i read all the topics and its stil the same all over.. people pointing fingers against each other.

atm end rvr is almost impossible for new players..
i like rvr alot but i have tons of lvl 50's but non is over RR5..
Any idea why ????? i dont even botter to explain because you high RR players know why.
i get the feeling im only there to get farmed . so i start a new toon and go to breamar wilton and thid again and i try again end rvr until im sick again from it.

Now when there is a zerg i can join and at least i have some fun from time to time..
i go out and fight and die and add and break mezz and get rp's .
But finnaly im having a bit of fun..
is this forbidden ????
Zerging all the time = no but it can be fun
8v8 as only alowd option = no but 8v8 can be much fun
1v1 is always fun
1v2 is always fun
1v3 is bad luck

please guys when zerg get formed there is alway 1 realm that starts it first. There is place in a zerg for all.. even for elite groups. join the zerg .. go in vent and work together and help your fellow realmmates to some victory. they will love you.. use your stealther to be your eyes for the epic battles and let them ADD. they deserve it at that point.

There can be so much fun but eveyone seems to be eager to push there own opinion towards another.

i prob offend some people but i needed to get this from my chest..
no need to fight battles here on forum... lets do it in rvr

we have a pretty decend staff here who makes it possible for us to play and fight in BG or OF..
im sure they woulh have more satisfaction from there work when we stop complaining.

holsten-knight wrote:@ all whiners:

all you need are some social skills, too bad most gank grp nice fighters lag this kind of skill and would never acknowledge this is even a skill you need to play daoc.

-sign i'm 100% agree with that !)

I'm sick of reading it is the 8v8 crowd that is denying those dozens of players to play in rvr. It is correct that they have a tendency to only group people they know and that doesn't create a very 'noob-friendly' atmosphere but really the only ones that are to blame is that so called Bg crowd themselves. You say they get scared off in rvr because they are being called f*cking adders? Get a grip then, if I should hide in the battlegrounds every time me or my group gets called elitist douchebags I wouldn't see much action either.

Your intentions are sincere but you're doing it in the wrong fashion and for the wrong reasons. Never thought I'd say it but I respected DG's way of injecting fresh blood into RvR a lot more. Back in Agra they ran 12slot groups consisting of sub50s and shabby setups. If you're a high rr grp you won't mind finding a low RR/random 12slot cause it's challenging and pretty even/fair. Getting steamrolled by your rr7 grp+16 people in stick is nor fun nor challenging nor fair and despite your believe that they play only to farm RPs I know many prefer a challenging fight rather than farming RandomAlbrr4Pug#6 (there are exceptions, certain elements are rather rp-horny).

It's my opinion to think it's all genuinely stupid to scare away all the people that actually like RvR and that have been keeping it going on this server for years just for the sake of 20 people that will probably return to BGs and PvE in a not so distant future. Don't get me wrong though, they are certainly welcome for me in RvR and I also dare saying that I do not verbally abuse people for their playstyle or skill or adding/zerging. But I'd like to see that happen in a more natural and respectful way.

Ps. Running around with your high grp in emain at 2am and farming solos/duos/small man(lolz casuals) is also an attempt to revificate rvr right and not just rp farming?

Pss. I don't mind zergs with an actual purpose like keep or relic raids. But these artificial zergs?

Dumb discussion and most posts are full of bullshit.

But we don't care, we just hate paticular groups for adding fights all the time. You wanna provoke a zerg? Go use IRC noone cares anyway!

But we don't really care about zerg in general. We kill zergs with 8.



Dae

EDIT: Maidirion: WORD

Just don't allow BG's in rvr zones. It would keep zergs down because xp would be decreased.

Also, add incentive for keep defenses.

Maidrion wrote:I'm sick of reading it is the 8v8 crowd that is denying those dozens of players to play in rvr. It is correct that they have a tendency to only group people they know and that doesn't create a very 'noob-friendly' atmosphere but really the only ones that are to blame is that so called Bg crowd themselves. You say they get scared off in rvr because they are being called f*cking adders? Get a grip then, if I should hide in the battlegrounds every time me or my group gets called elitist douchebags I wouldn't see much action either.

Your intentions are sincere but you're doing it in the wrong fashion and for the wrong reasons. Never thought I'd say it but I respected DG's way of injecting fresh blood into RvR a lot more. Back in Agra they ran 12slot groups consisting of sub50s and shabby setups. If you're a high rr grp you won't mind finding a low RR/random 12slot cause it's challenging and pretty even/fair. Getting steamrolled by your rr7 grp+16 people in stick is nor fun nor challenging nor fair and despite your believe that they play only to farm RPs I know many prefer a challenging fight rather than farming RandomAlbrr4Pug#6 (there are exceptions, certain elements are rather rp-horny).

I know you want to provoke zergs from other realms but so far all I've seen and read is angry people logging out. The few mid grps in rvr lately all dissapear as soon as hib starts zerging. And wooptidoo for those 15random albs in rvr that dissapeared after getting wiped twice by twice their numbers and RR. It's my opinion to think it's all genuinely stupid to scare away all the people that actually like RvR and that have been keeping it going on this server for years just for the sake of 20 people that will probably return to BGs and PvE in a not so distant future.

Ps. Running around with your high grp in emain at 2am and farming solos/duos/small man(lolz casuals) is also an attempt to revificate rvr right and not just rp farming?

i totally agree with you.

I personaly try to build "suited" counterzergs for the situation the last days, this was running with gdrw grp (but not adding in 8vs8 fights) two days ago, and yesterday the 1,5 more or less pug grps that joined us.

I prefer the option to run with more or less set grp(s) togehter, because you don't have to add every fight, and can even have 8vs8 fights.

This is not possible with pug grps, where often your only communication is via /broad. And it was no joke that i felt sorry for the 8-slot we rolled yesterday, but you can't always choose your options. We had to add everything, because the other grp did and we couldn't let them die.
But on the other hand it is also relieve to kill everything red you see and don't have to evaluate every inc if it is appropriate to engage or not

But it is different to build a counterzerg (and it's way easier to find people for that), than to start a zerg.

You will have to wipe all enemy grps to get the other realms start to counterzerg, and you will have to take everyone who wants to join (or you loose your credibility as zergleader), so you can't always choose with how many you start the zerg.

I have high respect for the hibs, and hope the other realms will follow this attitude... and that it will be someone else than me in midgard to start the zergs, as much as i enjoy zerging and any kind of rvr in daoc... i am at home in 8vs8 fights and would like to stay there at least most of the time

Lately we've been having to run with another 8 man and trade off 8v8s. When the 16 slot hits us, we both attack.

That was nice until we got adds in the range of 2-3 extra FGs on top of the 16 we were fighting.


At that point, everyone logged.


Which is what basically always happens once it becomes zerg only. At least half the group loses interest in trying to build 32 slot, and the group breaks. Emain empties. The zerg wins the game?

why don't those who wanna break try move to another zone? roam a bit and if no incs attack a keep a few minutes or tell in irc that you have quit emain?


saying "we won't go back to emain" is not a lot of intel so might not be considered rvr info, and the other people who dont wanna build zerg can check the other zones


people not doing this really makes me ponder irl about how motivated they are for 8v8 fights

Force wrote:Lately we've been having to run with another 8 man and trade off 8v8s. When the 16 slot hits us, we both attack.

That was nice until we got adds in the range of 2-3 extra FGs on top of the 16 we were fighting.


At that point, everyone logged.


Which is what basically always happens once it becomes zerg only. At least half the group loses interest in trying to build 32 slot, and the group breaks. Emain empties. The zerg wins the game?

that sounds like bad luck, happens even more often in 16vs16 like in 8vs8. Because they tend to take longer, over a larger area, and no grp will not add an 16vs16 (why? ^^) add is more likely.
But on the other hand you get the chance of an epic battle when more grps of different realms join in the fight... but no reason to give up

we wiped so much the last days as never before, still we came back and didn't loose the fun.

nixian wrote:why don't those who wanna break try move to another zone? roam a bit and if no incs attack a keep a few minutes or tell in irc that you have quit emain?


saying "we won't go back to emain" is not a lot of intel so might not be considered rvr info, and the other people who dont wanna build zerg can check the other zones


people not doing this really makes me ponder irl about how motivated they are for 8v8 fights

we go other zones looking for action but they are empty and the long periods between INC because only 1 other (if that) 8 man is there becomes boring for most people.

Hey I've never been saying this is the End of all solutions and all done was perfectly executed !

There is alot to learn, and we can improve on the Method I agree totally.
Yet this 'natural' Way of fresh Blood in RvR isn't happening, and the so-called solutions went to: Let the Dev's solve it all please.
That's just a joke.
It has to get started to evolve, and started it has been now, and hopefully will continue to evolve.

But really that : Oh but the other Zones are empty we would need to search for those other 8on8.
That can easily translated to: Our 8on8 is really only great fun if we get those pugs to roll over for free rp to feel great.
The true Reason for alot of the Flaming here I think ..

nixian wrote:why don't those who wanna break try move to another zone? roam a bit and if no incs attack a keep a few minutes or tell in irc that you have quit emain?


saying "we won't go back to emain" is not a lot of intel so might not be considered rvr info, and the other people who dont wanna build zerg can check the other zones


people not doing this really makes me ponder irl about how motivated they are for 8v8 fights

I don't mind going OG if some other groups agree with that, but if all the alb/mid 8vs8 groups go there, what will there be left in emain ? Stealthers and some solos/small groups that will run into a hib zerg camping amg. Great improvement for casuals !